The Piercing Truth

This is right from the dictionary and seems to describe Albuquerque, Berry and Schultz. Fascism (f ash ,izem) noun An authoritarian right wing system of government and/or social organization. (in general use) extreme right wing, authoritarian, chauvinistic and/or intolerant views or practices. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one group over another, national, ethnic, especially social strata or monetarily; a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach. Compliments of one of our Eyes

Oct 25, 2014

Watching the Watchers Watchers Part II

The Eye received the following from retired APD Captain David Gilmore. It seems Kent Walz has now put the k'bash on Mr. Gilmore as well. So much for freedom of the press when your largest account is with the administration paying you right Ken and Jerry?

"APD's usage of the lapel cameras for the often stated purpose of transparency is simply out of control. According to the Journal's story(8-27-14) the officers are spending up to 20% of each shift ,uploading and logging footage they record.  An officer working an eight hour shift or 480 minutes minus 30 minutes for lunch is now down to 450 minutes to handle calls for service.  Of those 450 minutes we can subtract the 20% or 90 minutes and find the officer is now working only 360 minutes or 6 hours of an 8 hours shift. This means he/she is spending one and a half hours of not doing what he/she is on the streets to do, protect you and me.  For argument sake let us say that 380 officers work the  streets and the minimum pay for a Patrolman 1/C is $26.00 per hour.  An officer is now tspending 7 1/2 hours a week or 375 hours a year at the cost of $195 per week or $9,750 per year to care for his videos.  Applying the hours and costs to the 380 officers on a yearly basis we end up with APD mandating the officers to spend 142,000 hours a year and $3,705,000 on "transparency tapes".  To make matters worse these figures do not include the roughly 600 other sworn officers/supervisors/command personnel that are required to utilizes the video system nor the time and cost to retrieve them for the news media and attorneys.

Unless these cameras are run from the start of the shift until the end, officers will forget to turn them on or not have time to engage them during spontaneous/threatening incidents.  We need to merely recall how Chief Schultz and Deputy Chief Banks failed to turn theirs on during their use of force at a State Fair parade.  Should APD insist on using the cameras they should fall under the same guidelines as the tape recorders of the past did.  That being they would be used for a short list of calls that were enumerated in the SOP, and the officers should be held to accountable for the recordings.

Personally I do not want to be video taped by anyone to include law enforcement.   I am sure this holds true for many citizens, witnesses and victims of crimes.  Nor do people want the inside of their homes video taped.  There are even some discussions with the criminal element better left not being taped.  The  issue of anonymity in reporting a crime has now  become a problem.   I am being told that Metro Court judges are now dismissing cases with no video, if that is the case shame on them as they should not need a video to decide guilt or innocence.   For those who insist on running these tapes from the beginning to the end of the shift consider the following.  Would you take a position that required the taping of your entire workday for 25 years?  The officers have a certain right to privacy, to be able to have personal and frank discussions between themselves, to blow off steam.   I had often wondered if APD's overly aggressive taping was the result of supervision issues? 

As for the Ferguson, Mo. shooting I am sure that the other investigative tools that have been used for decades will resolve the issue.  Let us not forget the video is only a tool and cannot relate an officers state of mind during a critical incident. Between the lapel camera issue and the "historic legislation" pertaining to the new police oversight agency that some members of the city council are so proud of is it no wonder the morale and work ethic of many APD officers continue on a downward spiral"


--David M. Gilmore (APD Captain, Retired)

73 comments:

Anonymous said...

Life-long membet of the Blue Brotherhood.

Anonymous said...

I certainly am glad that Gilmour is no longer with APD, and I now see why and how APD has gotten so far out of control.

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Anonymous said...

At least Gilmore has the balls to put his name on it, something the first two posters (and me) don't.

Anonymous said...

You are right. The people bashing those that are critical of this filthy place are scum bag pieces of shit like Berry Schultz TJ Perry Tourek Levy and their lowlife festering cancerous family members past and present who are filling their pockets and protecting their positions on the backs of those they fuck over. The sand is running out motherfuckers.

Anonymous said...

@1150 why do you say that? He actually makes a lot of sense. Can you come up with something other than "that's stupid"?

Anonymous said...

11:50 makes no basis for his dislike of Gilmore. Gilmore was a great Officer and supervisor. I'm actually old enough to have worked under his command in the old "war zone". They do not allow Officers to be made such as the likes of Marty Gilmore anymore. At least he stays involved in his community and is obviously upset of what has become of his once fine and respected department. Best of all he has the balls to put his name to his posts like that other old school Officer Heh.

Anonymous said...

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3596052.shtml?cat=500#.VEZ2PHl0zcs

Oh o. Shit just got real.

Anonymous said...

Marty Gilmore is indeed a gentlman and was a very good officer and supervisor. The problem is that he has been gone way too long and the Department is nothing but a shell of what it use to be. Marty is a reflection of the past as are his ideas on law enforcement. Times change, public perceptions chnage, attitudes change, technology changes and if you do not keep up with chnaging times and concepts, your ideas become irrelevant, tired and worn.

Anonymous said...

at 0912.....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH......oh boy this is going to be interesting. But I'll believe it when I see it. Eden and Perry lying....Nooooooo you don't say. And where's Berry in this mess, oh right, worried about a fucking rat at the zoo....

Anonymous said...

9-18am: "irrelevant, tired and worn" sounds pretty good compared to the present state of APD.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure whatever a cop is being paid to manage the videos, is cheaper than having a tech do the same. Furthermore, if Judges are indeed dismissing cases for lack of video, I say kudos to them! APD is required to have the video, they should have the video, not excuses. It's disturbing that a cop thinks his life as a public servant is in any way private.

David . Gilmore said...

To be highly critical of an individual and hide behind the curtain of anonymity speaks much about an individals character. Thus, I like my friend Paul H. will not respond to baseless and ignorant comments. To those that have shown support thank you.

The purpose of the article was to show the waste of police manhours and and public dollars with respect to video taping as desired by some in Albuquerque based upon figures presented by the Albuquerque Journal. It also presented the undesired consequences of such tapings.

To 9:18 I would reply that yes I have been out of the "game" for quite sometime. There is an old saying in the Marine Corps, once a Marine always a Marine. It has been over 50 years since I got into that "game". Regardless of the game most people want the best for the organizations they once served. I also agree times change, technology changes and other things change but basic police work, interaction with the community, how one needs to treat offenders, discipline both personal and as a form of corrective action, along with supervison and a good work ethic do not and should not change.

Yes I do care about the future of APD and the community it serves because I, my children and grandchildren live here. I am not alone in my thoughts regarding APD. You would be amazed as too how many "old has been" retirees feel the same way. Your time is coming!

From my perspective this total, disgusting fiasco facing APD was preventable had only the Mayor paid attention and done his job in seeing to it that APD did its job correctly. Now he presents a picture of being eager to engage with the DOJ to fix his mess to keep his political future in tact.

For the young, ill-informed, ill-tempered, inexperienced, rebellious sorts out there who continually resort to such colorful language as found in the comments on this website you are not making good arguments for your case to the general public in fact you are turing them off.

Anonymous said...

The cops have a good role model. Berry, Perry. & their ilk have no accountability the taxpayers they 'serve'. Mayor Berry, Perry and every other city employee are also public servants. Should we all wear body cams?

Anonymous said...

Marty was a great commander who always put the citizens and public safety first. He did this by taking care of his officers and taking care of basic police work. The cameras are a done deal and no one is putting that Genie back in the bottle. However as a citizen I personally do not want to be video taped by a officer UNLESS he/she can show that I am doing some criminal act. Nor does an officer need to be recorded for any moment where he/she is not being paid. Thus no video to and from work (in a marked car) no video at lunch, no video in route to or after court on time off etc. See the issue there, if it is expanded to every moment that you are in the public eye you are about to start paying these folks a ton of extra overtime hours. As a lifelong citizen of this city with family still residing here for many years to come I have a couple of concerns, which include why in the heck are about twenty people who are hardcore anti cop and all have skin in the game as they are all relatives of someone shot by police at some point in history, able to alter the course of the future of my hometown? Seriously, the are several hundred thousand folks in the ABQ area who are either pro-police or are at worst ambivalent to the issue. It must give you few core rabble rousers a thrill to have gotten so far considering that when there is a town hall meeting with the chief and the mayor only 20 people show up

Anonymous said...

9:18,
Yes times change and so do Mayors. Crime doesn't change tho. The streets are still violent and crime is still high in Albuquerque. Nobody, I mean NOBODY ever reports crime correctly in New Mexico. How many actual murders, rapes, robberies etc this year?? Not the cooked books reports by APD or the State. Actual figures. Even the media cant get ahold of this. Weird. And I'm sure the public would like to know how many actual sworn officers there are in APD. Another elusive figure. Lies all around.

Anonymous said...

Mr Gilmore,

You appear to be blaming leadership exclusively for the failures at APD. I take exception with that position. YOU have as much responsibility to police your own as anyone does. but that isn't happening.

I also suspect the reason for the anonymity is a well founded fear of reprisal from some of the thugs with badges that YOU work with and have failed to police yourself. Maybe if YOU would police your own, the public would be more forthright. But you don't, you haven't and nothing in your words indicates that you will. Your words are those of someone in denial. I don't think you have a clue what the citizenry thinks about you and your colleagues. Your only concern appears to be what's in it for you. That becomes evident when you attempt to blame leadership for your own failings.

The "DOJ mess", as you refer to it, is all YOU. The department as a whole is the problem, top to bottom. It's high time you and your fellow public servants started acting like public servants, rather than a private military. I will agree with you that the DOJ "mess" was preventable, but I would submit that YOU and your fellow warriors had as much control over that situation as anyone. You know right from wrong, start practicing it.

I would like to make note of your final sentence and the personal attacks you make there. Your inmaturity and unprofessionalism is evident there, just as it is in the rest of your poor me rant.

Anonymous said...

Mr Gilmore,

Why is it the Mayor's job to make sure you people are doing YOUR job correctly? Why can't YOU people manage your own like professionals are supposed to? Why should your department require a babysitter? Your whiney excuse filled rant sounds a whole lot like sour grapes to me.

Yes, I'm posting anonymously, so according to you, I don't rate a response. but I would appreciate it if you would explain why your department has failed repeatedly to police it's own and how that is anyone's fault but your own.

Anonymous said...

To Marty Gilmore: I guess calling you a gentleman and a very good officr and supervisor was baseless and ignorant? The major point you missed in you Eye article is that the mandatory use of video and lapel cameras is not going to go away and indeed will no doubt be required by DOJ. Lapel cameras are now standard issued equipement and part of every modern day law enforcement department which seems to be something you do not grasp and object to. The cops that seem not to follow orders and turn on the cameras appear to be the ones that have alot to hide because they do not want any one to know what they are doing. Your reaction to "klllig the messenger" is one reason many people post anonymously and will continue to do so despite your self righteous attitude.

Anonymous said...

What you people responding to Marty don't understand, is that he retired from the APD many years ago. Under his watch shit like this wasn't going on. He was a fine officer and a fantastic supervisor and I can say both as I worked for him for many years. His concerns are extremely valid given the current staffing levels at APD. The number of man hours being wasted during this process needs to be addressed. I would also agree the most victims do not like the fact that they are being recorded while they go into detail about how they were victimized. I take it you would like your 12 year old daughter explaining how she was sexually assaulted being video tapped and kept in the 'Oh So Super Secure'"Cloud" for the whole world to get their hands on? He is trying to explain that there are numerous incidents where officers should not be video taping people, period. It's not for the officer sake, it's for yours. Pull your head out and realize that an officer's entire day does not to be recorded every single minute the officer is on duty. There are established SOPs regarding when this should be done.

Anonymous said...

To 10:49 -- The Mayor is directly responsible for appointing the Chief of the Albuquerque Police Department. If you have read any of this blog you would come to realize that the Mayor's choice in Police Chiefs during his tenure have been shit. The department is in shambles because The Mayor refused to do the right thing and hire a Chief who could actually lead.

Instead he has chosen to play politics with this position and it has cost the tax payers of this city millions. The fine officer's of the A.P.D. do not need a baby sitter. They NEED some fucking leadership from the TOP!

Anonymous said...

10:41, 10:49, 1:51
A Police Officer is paid to uphold the Law. The word servant sounds to me more like someone who fetches your slippers and news paper. They don't serve you and your bs way of thinking. You probably hide in your mothers basement, behind a keyboard, too cowardly to risk life or limb. Your armchair quarterbacking is irrelevant and humorous. Get a life slackers.

Anonymous said...

It is nice to see posts where the majority of the adjectives aren't four letters and people are thinking about what has been said. I understand the rage but say it so little old men can hear it without wondering if you are the same trash they just saw at the 7 to 11 an hour ago from a gangbanger.

Anonymous said...

@5:54

Mr Gilmore's concerns are largely self serving for the department. The brave new world of video is real, and it's not going anywhere. The reason it's here to begin with is because YOU people can't manage yourselves. The added layer of work is of YOUR own making and YOU are just going to have to man up and deal with it. YOU made the bed, YOU need to lay in it. The people aren't screaming for video because they're curious about how your job works. They want video because you have consistently and repeatedly failed to act like professionals by failing to police YOUR own. The systemic pattern and practice of abuse of force is not just a buzz word, YOU people really did do that. YOUR actions are costing lives and the people tens of millions of dollars. The chief didn't pull those triggers, or beat those victims, YOU people did. Berry and Perry are spineless hacks, but they didn't pull a trigger or swing a stick at anyone. Schultz is a grade A crook and scumbag, but he didn't pull the trigger in ANY of the shootings under his watch. Neither has Eden. YOU people did that.

Mr Gilmore is making excuses for why his work shouldn't be monitored, while simultaneously crying about the added workload the failure to police YOUR own has created. I can think of no circumstance under which YOUR actions should not be recorded while on duty. NONE whatsoever. Furthermore, if $26/hr is all it costs for the uploading, then I say upload on, it's far cheaper than paying a qualified tech to do the same. In that sense, cops are pretty cheap labor.

As for the twenty vocal critics, those are the victims families. Those are real people, whose lives YOU really affected. They're not the enemy, they're human beings! They are not altering the course of YOUR city for the worse, they are trying honorably to alter the course for the better. YOU need to stop being a roadblock to that and start being a vehicle for change. I strongly disagree that there are as many supporters of APD as you claim, considering several polls have recently shown the exact opposite. The most recent I can recall shows about 1 in 3 trust the department. Let me repeat that. 1 out of 3 in the community you serve trust you. That's a sad statement.

YOU did that.

You want to be treated with respect? Start showing some.

Anonymous said...

@ 6:01

The department is in shambles because the people working in the department are incapable of policing themselves. Lack of leadership isn't in any way the cause of a cop shooting or abusing an unarmed man. The chief didn't pull those triggers and neither did the mayor. YOU people did that.

mr Bill said...

9:15 that's not really true. Shit head cops do stupid actions because they know they can get away with it. They know this because the supervisors don't act. Case in point...Leah Kelly's shooting of Chandler Barr. Goes to trial next week and watch the show there begin in US district court. Will Leah wear a bikini?

Anonymous said...

@ 6:01 # 2

A cop is a public employee, just like the clerk at the treasurer's office is, or the garbage man is. The term public servant has long been used to describe a public sector employee. Most government employees understand that. It sounds like maybe you have a different idea of what a cop does. Can't say I'm surprised by the confusion, the attitude I see from the rank and file indicates a pretty inflated sense of status in the mindset of most.

Just to be clear though, cops do serve me, and every other citizen. That's part of the deal that comes with accepting that government check. Again, most government employees have come to grips with that concept and just do their job without fanfare. Not sure who you think you work for, but it's not the union.

Finally, I don't want to be a cop, therefore I'm not. I don't need the standard line about how I'm too much of a coward to shoot unarmed men. The numbers are pretty hard to argue with. Cops just don't have the dangerous job they'd like everyone to believe. The guy who picks up your trash has a far greater chance of being killed or injured on the job than a cop does. This is a cold hard fact. Get over yourself. Just do your job and EARN that check. And try to remember to turn that camera on.........you know, do YOUR job.

Anonymous said...

APD is not what it use to be, the leadership has a gangland mentality, except for the Chief, he hasn't figured any of it out yet and we are running out of time. Nothing will improve APD's reputation until a new Chief and upper echelon moves in; it is reality and we are helpless, so we stand by and watch. The community can't do anymore to let the Mayor know he made a grave mistake. Marty Gilmore was a good supervisor, he was supported by the community and well respected as a LEO. Good luck to what's left of APD, you will need it.

Anonymous said...

9:15

Gilbert Montano please go away. I know Berry gave you a huge raise but the killer of Jasper is still out there, why don't you go spin that away from Zoo negligence and stop posting.

Richard Berry, no accountability.

Anonymous said...

what do you mean "you people"???

Anonymous said...

9:30,
Let's make one thing clear, I'm not a cop. I respect the Police and am related to a few and know many. The majority of APD are good Officers. There's tons of day to day things an Officer does that never makes the news, where you probably get all your facts from. Instead of being a whiny, demanding, bitch from behind a keyboard, why don't you go on a ride along or join the Citizens Academy and see for yourself what goes on?? Or here's something you can do, GET SOME ACTUAL FACTS!!! I certainly hope your not a supervisor somewhere. If you spoke to me like you talk to people on this blog, I'd bitch slap you into next month.

Anonymous said...

Berry is crying on the front page of the Journal that between 100 and 200 cops will be retiring and blams it all on changes in PERA. No mention of the real reasons: rank and file are overwhelmed with calls for service, a department seriouly mismangaged, dealing with incompetant leadership and pending DOJ comnsent decree. Why would any one want to continue to work for APD when they can retire and go work somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

Its time to look at consolidation, BCSO should take over policing in Bernalillo County, maybe then we can get rid of all the appointed incompetent political hacks. Its one thing to appoint qualified individuals but these guys at APD are the worst of the worst.

Anonymous said...

Saw the Journal today. So NOW Berry wants to check into seeing if he can change a few things so RETIRED officers can come back to work for the City and it NOT affect their pensions... He should have done that awhile back when the City lost A LOT of GREAT retired officers that only came back as a part time employee. A part time rehire/CSA was not making any where close to what they were making as a full time officer, so it should not have been considered DOUBLE DIPPING. Plus the part timers worked a heck of a lot harder then their full time counter parts, with no benefits. As always its a bit too late. If you can retire DO IT...

Anonymous said...

@ 8:04

There's tons of things every member of society goes through in a day that never make the news. There's also a pretty long list of jobs that are far more dangerous than being a cop. Yours is the typical response towards anyone who might question the job of a cop. The instant assumption that ONLY a cop or someone who has had a little experience can understand. I see this response over and over and over again. The thing is, I don't really need to do a ride along to get the idea. I know cops see things most of society might find pretty harsh. They see it day in and day out. I know it wears on anyone. They deal with the worst of society, I get that. But here's the thing. Lots of people see horrible things in their job. Lots of people deal with terrible things. Lots of people face risk and death on the job. LOTS of them. The fact is, there are so many every day occupations that are just as, if not so much more critical to a functioning society than a cop, that face far more risk every single day, I am sick of hearing about how hard it is to be a cop. As a society, we know it's not that hard, because the numbers speak for themselves. The fact is, policing has gotten safer, while being a citizen among the police has become more dangerous over the past 40 years. Crime rates are also on the decline and have been for some time. Those are absolute statistical facts that cannot be ignored. Police face less danger, but kill more, that's the takeaway.

That you want to get violent with me because I disagree with your point of view pretty much speaks to the problem and the divide. It's still an us vs them mentality that runs rampant through the ranks. Be it the hangers on like yourself, or the cops themselves. violence isn't the answer. Being a smarter man is the honorable thing. Being the bigger man, that's where your head should be, but it's not. Sadly, your voice does appear to emanate from those you are defending.

Anonymous said...

Blame anyone but yourself there Berry. The fact is more Officers are so fed up they are not even doing their 20. For the first time in history Officers are not trying to lateral to us, they are lateral transfers away from us, and many are accepting pay cuts.
The blame lies firmly in the hands of those in charge.

Anonymous said...

Berry got rid of the longevity bonus back in 2010, then on KKOB this morning he lies and says he signed an agreement with the APOA to get rid of it.

Berry lied. The APOA never agreed to get rid of longevity bonus.

Berry refuses to take responsibility for any of his actions. Berry is a coward and he is mayor. No wonder we are in the toilet.

Anonymous said...

Why is channel 7 saying apd has never had the ability for the public to text tips? Crimestoppers apd has had a number since i was in college. Then they had that tip number in the journal on those ads with all the people. Then they have that dea number where they get tips. There is that gang website where you can text tips. How many numbers do they need? Are they paying for all these but not responding to any of them?

Anonymous said...

@ 10/23 0804,

Let's make one thing clear, you're a fucking idiot. First, you can't just assault someone because you don't like the way they speak to you. Not only is that illegal, it's a shitty way to try and navigate any social setting. You're not a cop, so if you think you can use violence to whenever you want, you're in for a big surprise.

Second, nobody holds a gun to a person's head and forces them to become a cop. They all volunteer for it, and they go into it well aware they're employed as civil servants. Let's stop pretending that being a cop is anywhere nearly as hard and dangerous as the cops and the boot-lickers proclaim. Crime is at an all-time low, and so are police deaths.

Finally, I work as an engineer. If I did my job anywhere near as poorly as any APD officer, I wouldn't have a job, let alone be justified in telling someone they need to do my job before they can criticize me. Cops are fucking babies. Sure, there may be a scant few who have anything resembling a work ethic, or morals, or courage, but they're so rare they're statistically irrelevant.

APD is a shithole shell of its former self, and that's because everyone in it decided that doing their job wasn't something they were interested in. If they're ever called out for it, they either hide, lie, or blame someone else.

Anonymous said...

Berry,
Quit blaming bullshit reasons like PERA for the reason officers are leaving in droves. They are not only retiring. They are taking jobs with other departments, or are flat out quitting. Officers are doing this rather than work for a corrupt gang of cowards and scum bags who are running this city into the ground. You, that drunk loudmouth Perry, the city attorney's office, and your group of pathetic hypocrites who have all done shit over and over again that would have gotten other officers fired, and that's not even getting into their moral turpitude issues, are disgusting scum. The police chief can't look anyone in the eye, and answer a strait question. The department uses it's officers to cover for their administration and to provide a smoke screen for those that may look into these illegal actions. You had a DCOP and Chief who were certified liars and they were covered for to the point that standup supervisors retired in disgust over it. The whole 5th floor fled when the DOJ came. A DCOP recently retired because he had his feelings hurt. You have a dishonorable unqualified disgusting piece who has a questionable history regarding integrity and honor and that is putting it mildly, running the real time crime center. APD is so out of control that I really think people would be ten times more horrified if they really knew just how bad it is, and just how many sociopaths and perverts who do not know how to act are in positions of authority. Those leaving know this. They know it is not changing any time soon, and if it does, it will take decades. When you look around you and see so many people deserving of the unemployment line rocketing up the ranks with the only explanation being who they are friends with or who they are playing at nature with it is enough to infuriate you. It gets worse when these creeps whores and scum bags can do no wrong, while good cops get shit all over to the point they shut down or have their lives ruined by a bunch of vindictive cowardly assholes. Right now APD is nothing but a high school club house. It is embarrassing. Why stay with something that taints you? If that's not enough, you have no backing from a union who is facing multiple lawsuits from it's members and who would rather back a fired convicted criminal who is part of the problem rather than back it's officers. Our union is now representing Joey Sigala over the crap he and Schultz aggravated. Just look up all the messes on nmcourts these idiots are being sued in

David M Gilmore said...

At the request of several former officers I will respond to a couple of the anonymous comments in part because the discourse was civil unlike the engineer at 2:26 who took the entire site down the tube.

10:41 Recruitment, training, supervision and leadership are contributing causes of APD's current problems. Might I point out that as a retired officers I have no responsibility to supervise any officer. All I can do is call for discussion.
Let me set you straight on the matter of leadership and disicipline as it pertained to me while I was with APD. I always sought to be timely, fair and consistent in the administration of discipline sometimes contrary to my superivsors wishes, and my subordinates were told to hold no grudges.
There is no "poor me rant" as you claim only statements of fact. I might add most all of your comments display a lack of historical and current knowledge of my relationship with APD.
Your comments are directed at me, a civilian who poses no threat to you but yet you are ANONYMOUS?

10:49 Like 10:41 you fail to understand that I am retired!
Briefly, Mayor Berry is the Chief's boss, he is ultimately responsible for the actions of APD that is why bring his name up.
As to why has APD failed to police its own. Basically, it has been an ongoing problem since
about 2000. The problems are numerous and it is no ones fault but the chain of command. Sergeants and command officers were not doing their jobs and in some cases officers were not holding their peers accountable.
As an aside APD is a quasi-military organization with an academy which needs to be different from a university setting. If a person can not deal with stress in the academy how do you expect them to deal with life threatening stress on the streets without overreacting?
Don't confuse what I have just stated with the issue of police involved shootings. Until you have been threatened with a real or percieved firearm or edged weapon don't be to quick to judge an officers actions.

1:51 You obviously know me. I fully realize that the cameras are not going away. Had you not been so eager to paint me in a bad light and had carefully read my comments you would have known that I called for a limited use of them, such as was the case of the audio recorders, and prompt discipline when they were not. You are wrong, at this time the video cameras are not a part of every modern day law enforcement department. Nothing self righteous on my part, the facts speak for themselves.

Finally, if you wish to be critical of me or APD be sure of you facts and if you are correct I will stand corrected on this site.

Anonymous said...

Whoa shut the front door, waddya mean the apoa is representing Sigala? For what?

Anonymous said...

Huntsman has been an absolute flop

Anonymous said...

Agree 100%. The tail is wagging the dog.

Anonymous said...

I agree this person sounds entitled .'you people' is an antiquated expression that was used by those who fancied themselves above most of the common folk.

Anonymous said...

Good one!!

Anonymous said...

Gilmore should be chief!

That is all,,,

Anonymous said...

The way things are going here, they will be appointing Keith Sandy police chief.

Anonymous said...

With Brett Lamparis Tremba his DC

Anonymous said...

10/23@10:34. Great idea Scott, did u check with the Legacy board? Run that idea by the flock at Sunday service. Have Terry print out a sample ballot and pass it out "after" Service tomorrow!!

Anonymous said...

I dont understand why we are blaming anyone for this mess but Chave, Schultz and Berry. We act like these peobles just started, they have started when Chavez brougjt Schultz back. It didnt take Schultz a few months to discrace APD, he did it over time, I think 8 years. We are gonna have to dig outta this mess and it will be a process, lile a 5 or 8 year process.

Anonymous said...

While IA Lieutenant Eric Jordan texts pictures if his penis to others he gets relocated to supervise more officers. Yet in REAL departments like CHP, we has this happening : http://krqe.com/2014/10/25/3-calif-officers-suspected-of-sharing-nude-photos/

FUCK YOU Ray Schultz Rob Perry RJ Berry Stephanie Lopez Shawn Willoughby Gorden Eden. YOU have disgraced us by not honoring our badge!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

What are you talking about? Scott has nothing to do with my post on consolidation, it was something that has come up several times in the past. I never supported it in the past but now it doesn't seem so outlandish given the current state of the City. Get rid of the current City governing body and start all over!

Anonymous said...

HWJV---How would jesus vote--bwahhhhhhaha...hypocritical den of vipers legacy church..mindless clones

Anonymous said...

The one thing I have learned about when someone does something really heinous, i.e., send a pic of his junk to someone, or steal evidence or something else that violates city protocol. Those people don't let the union help them, no sir, they hire a private attorney and 9 times out of 10, the wrongdoer "has something " on someone higher up the chain that they will disclose about that person if the wrongdoer gets fired. So it's all hush hush sub -rosa super secret then POOF the wrongdoer is sent to a different position but gets to stay employed. Happens all the time.

Anonymous said...

Shit, eric jordan found his penis? Pro a ly was his brothers when they were jerking off together cuz we know he has a small "Pecker," sandy the expert on peckers tho, maybe we need to ask him.

Anonymous said...

@10:28

You could only hope to have leaders like Scott or Manny in your orginazation. Too bad for you youre stuck with what you got.

Anonymous said...

Hey since when did TJ wear a uniform? Oh wait, it wasn't TJ, it was LES BROWN...dang you bad breathed you been sucking on BURREATOHs to or what?!?!

Anonymous said...

I thought buying a bike and following around the DC like pups made you lose weight. Guess fat ass Brown must have a motor stashed some where. Garcia is the lead duck and suck asses follow him around like ducklings. It's mandatory to get stars. It's all gotta be a bad comedy routine.

Anonymous said...

Before anyone says the apoa is required to represent Joey in his suit to get his job back, no they are not. A union, not an association, is required. This is why AFSCME has to represent so many bull shit cases. An association has no legal requirement to do shit. It can pick and choose who it represents. This is why you see the jealous defense of some and not others. Those in charge know they cannot really be held to the fire like a true union can.
Why do you think the board of apoa never tries to join anything national that would empower it with an actual bite versus all this bull shit barking with no bite.

Anonymous said...

Maybe he can supervise that cop who sent dirty pics to the pregnant 17 year old but got to keep his job too.

When oh when will the women follow the county footsteps and do a class action sexual harrassment case? How will the city defend itself? Red laced girlfriend, vintage drunk and grabby, trips to socorro, nature at play, freeze frame, stairwell, teachers pet, .... let's look at this a different way. Someone name me one Commander or above, on the job or retired in the last three years, who is a man and who is known to not have affairs or not try to have affairs.

Anonymous said...

The APOA is representing Joey Sigala and Ron Olivas in the lawsuit where Wolever and Doyle are suing them. Joey was convicted of stealing our money and taking first class plane trips using our money. Joey bought hotel rooms with his female 34 side piece with our money. He stole thousands snd thousands of our money and the union is defending him and paying a lawyer to to it. So while the APOA picks and chooses who to protect, they choose to protect a former president who stole from us, resigned from the union like a coward, ran away, and was charged and convicted of the theft. I don't think I even have to mention Olivas. Thst's right folk, our dues are paying to protect a convicted criminal and a liar who was feeding information to the media.

Anonymous said...

What's a Les Brown? That sounds like the color of my shit when I eat too much oatmeal. Yep. Ate too much oatmeal, now mah shits Les Brown.....

Anonymous said...

@5:44 now that one made me laugh. Hell I am still laughing... And DCOP Garcia is a douche bag.

Anonymous said...

Ref Sigala...you're only realizing that now? Hmmm first class trips to DC with his girlfriend Valerie. Trips to Scottsdale. Trips to Dallas. Trips to Boston. And let's not forget about all the "reimbursements" paid to Sigala. You know for things he was not only getting paid to do by apoa but also by city. And presents...Joey was the king of giving presents. but funny thing is, nobody remembers getting anything... keep digging...you're almost there!!!

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a good thing to me, maybe the truth can come out finally about ALL the APOA board and their deeds. No more rumor and lies, the truth.

Anonymous said...

@ 5:40 and every other member of APOA

STFU and keep paying your dues because we know that APD is the best gig you could get right? You fuckheads are in it for the power, control, 20 yr retirement, and all that other self-serving BS that cops love to indulge in aka "legends in their own minds". Fuck integrity, because if any one of you had one iota of integrity, you would be flying out the APD doors like grasshoppers this summer season. You'll fly once you hit 20 years of service right? The answer to that question says it all you fucken, spineless jellyfish.

Anonymous said...

Exactly what is a spineless jellyfish? I often hear of folk on here speak of this creature. Do some jellyfish have spines? Do jellyfish really fuck? Technically a spineless jellyfish is a normal thing because they aren't supposed to even have a spine. oh well that's what I get for trying to read intelligent comments on a blog.

Anonymous said...

16:00
Look into the mirror and you will see the creature that you speak of. I might add that you may be one of the boneless varieties also. If that is the case, then have someone hold a mirror over your gelatinous body so that you can observe what I am speaking of. Good luck with that. And just so you know, all of your spineless jellyfish friends along with their snake in the grass, yellow belly cowards, and balless wonders, I am sure appreciate your failed efforts to discredit the place, but the fact of the matter is that the truth hurts. It is a known fact that the living wastes of space screaming and crying are doing so because their feelings are hurt over being called out like the dirt balls and perverts they are. Like a bunch of amoebas in need of a good bleach bath is all you all are.

Anonymous said...

Commanders who have not has affairs, Bob Huntsman, say what you want but he is an honorable man in that respect. Mac Page, Steve Warfield, Kevin Rowe, to name a few.

Anonymous said...

How can you use huntsman and honorable in the same sentence. So he's faithful "so you think" that doesn't excuse him for coming back and padding his paycheck and doing nothing. I would rather him be a whore and do the right thing. I have zero respect for him either way and I know the list who feel the same in growing.

Anonymous said...

Mac Paige..... Now there's a sissy. He couldn't have an affair if he wanted to.

Anonymous said...

Eric Jordan has a penis? Say it isn't so....