The move comes after an email misinformation campaign and the Almighty Alcalde's Saturday 770 KKOB AM radio show where he and Transit Director Greg Payne spent the closing moments of the show blaming APD's SOP change on a council resolution from "2001." (We're working on getting a copy of the show and when we do we'll post the section here.)
According to the mayor and director Payne who was councilor Payne at the time, the resolution was all the Republican's fault. It is true that Republican Councilor Hess Yntema sponsored the bill. It is also true that then President of the Council Winter voted for the bill (along with 8 other councilors including Payne). What isn't true is that the council tied the hands of APD and the mayor with the resolution. After all, council resolutions are non-binding and as a result are routinely ignored by the Chavez administration.
One other thing to remember here is that despite all of the intentional descriptions of Resolution R-00-151 being from 2001; it was passed by the council and sent to the mayor December 18, 2000. Mayor Baca signed it January 12, 2001. It technically belongs to 2001 but it is certainly a product of a Pre-9/11 world.
On to the email campaign... On the Friday just prior to this particular 770 KKOB Mayor Marty spin-o-rama, an email was blasted out from a number of gmail accounts. The email appeared to target Republicans and attacked councilor Winter and Sheriff Darren White calling them hypocrites and accusing them of "stooping to new political lows."
We thought at first that the email was the product of Winter's current political rival Paulette de'Pascal; but the inclusion of Sheriff White didn't fit and the email was obviously too professional for the Honey Bee. After Saturday's KKOB performance we suspect that The Captain (Greg Payne) had something to do with the targeted email.
Payne's involvement makes sense. He's almost certainly captaining the Honey Bee pleasure cruise, Winter is his bosses arch enemy, and White has been mentioned numerous times as a potential mayoral candidate in the next election. Granted all of this is speculation, but it sure does seem to fit.
(Sidebar)As we said at the top, Winter is now upping the ante by making referral to immigration mandatory. That's a good step; we might also suggest that the original resolution (R-00-151) be altered to exclude illegal immigrants from inclusion in city services and programs. We don't mind being an "immigrant friendly" city. However we do mind being an "illegal immigrant friendly city."
It's interesting to watch politicians work when they've been pushed into a corner. If they can't find a way to spin the information they will engage in misinformation campaigns. Too bad they don't spend as much time governing as they do worrying about their political careers.
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In this Post-9/11 world, it simply makes no sense to welcome those who have already shown their contempt for our laws by giving them special treatment and access to our tax dollars through social programs. The attempt by Chavez to shift the blame for an out-dated council policy is disingenuous at best and contemptible at worst. It's his administration that is responsible for current APD SOP, mis-information emails and radio shows notwithstanding.
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"requiring APD to endeavor to determine the immigration status of any individual arrested for a crime, and report that information to federal authorities if that person is found to be in the country illegally."
Very nice, I like that. Even if APD cannot easily determine immigration status then at least they pass the buck to someone whose job it is to actually do so. (Did that make any sense?)
That would take too much time for the cops. Just shot 'em and off to the nearest dumpster. THE END
Shoot not shot. Grammer aside, I agree.
Oh, the cops just love Greg Payne as well.
As an officer, we'd love nothing better than to arrest that little
P _ _ _ k.
I totally support Brad on this one - if an illegal is stupid enough to get arrested for a crime, then being reported and deported is definitely in order and is the least the cops should do.
That's all fine. We can deal with the ILLEGALS that way. But someone should also propose a "3 strikes" policy for those here on Visas or otherwise legal means. If you recieve 3 convictions (excluding minor traffic offenses) you're outta here. I'm all for legal immigration, but if these people want to come here to break the law, then they don't deserve to live here. Period.
I thought legal immigrants already had a one-strike policy. Even if they've lived here since they were 3. Even if it was a petty crime many years ago. Even if it was registering to vote whe they shouldn't have.
And by the way, did you know that to get Medicaid, you have to either be born here, or legally be here for at least 5 years, and prove it either way.
Leave it to Brad Winter to Clean up the 11th floor mess.
Leave it to the 11th floor to try to place the blame on everyone else.......
We need a new govt! Not one that has their own agenda!
"And by the way, did you know that to get Medicaid, you have to either be born here, or legally be here for at least 5 years, and prove it either way."
That's funny. If that's true, someone needs to audit the state's Medicaid system. I personally know 3 illegals and thier kids that have Medicaid cards and benefits. It seems you are automatically signed up for it when you apply for food stamps.
Go figure.
Did you also know that illegals are allowed to reap other benefits from the federal, state, and city governments at the taxpayers expense? Illegal aliens can apply for subsidized housing and childcare through the city and the state because their underage children are Americans! Talk about absurd!
So you want to go back to discriminating against kids who were innocntly born here because their parents don't have proper paperwork? (We used to call them bastards.) Immigrants pay taxes like everyone else, unless they are driven too far underground. Who does it benefit when kids don't get health care and an education?
ummm Michelle the simple answer is YES. It isnt the kids fault however if I use that logic my kids should get to live in someone else's home in , say, Tanoan and go to a nice prep school for free. You go ahead and pay for it with all the other taxpayers and I'll pay in a few bucks in Soc. Security (using someone elses number ) and some payroll taxes on my $7 an hour roofing job. Sound Fair?
So they come here illegally (violating the law) and give birth to a child who is now considered a U.S. Citizen thinking that since their child is a citizen they can now stay remain in country. How do we enforce the law against the parent without having adverse ramifications against the child. that is exactly what the illegal parents are thinking. It may sound cruel but place the child up for adoption and remove the birth parents. They new they were in violation of the law and that there are consequences to their action. If they want to remain with their child it's real simple, don't cross the bordere illegally. Mexico has no probablem kicking out aliens. At a minimum we should be billing the Mexican government for all benefits provided to illegal aliens (their citizens). If you disagree, move your ass to Mexico and take up citizenship there!
The vast majority of them are bastard children from what I've seen! Can't feed them don't breed them. I fought and served my country during Desert Storm and I resent the fact that there are vets out there who can't even get decent health care or housing and now our government provides for people who don't respect America's laws enough to enter this country legally. Ms. Meaders do you honestly believe that if you went into another country illegally they would be so quick to roll out the welcome wagon? HELL NO! It is because of damned liberal attitudes that this country is going to hell. Attitudes of people who have never been abroad to see what the rest of the world is like or never picked up a rifle to defend this country and her citizens with attitudes like yours. Get a clue Ms. Meader and remember to roll out your red carpet when the terrorists kill more of our citizens. Maybe we can provide healthcare, housing, and childcare to them as well after they bomb the hell out of us again.
It is a known fact that most posters of the comments here are disgruntled APD officers and I pray to God that some of these racially motivated and hatred comments are not been made by these cops. If so we have a major problem within APD and the Mayor needs to do some heavy duty cleaning up. Some have chosen to use the anonymous platform of this forum to personally attack other people and make some disturbing comments that are not acceptable nor should be allowed.
How is this a known fact? And if it is a known fact, then you should know who is writing what then.....you are making assumptions that will blind you to what may really be happening.
What may really be happening is that the rank and file are sick of the bullshit at APD, the citizens of this city are sick of the bullshit in the govt, and this city is going to implode because of the assumptions that it's just a few disgruntled ex employees, retiree's, and not a majority of people. That's fine. Keep underestimating all of the rest of us. That will be a good thing. And please, please, underestimate our voting abilities.
Comment above. Couldn't have been better put. The assumption that most of the comments are coming from a few disgruntled officers is false. Most are from citizens. As for the mayor needing to do some major cleaning up is an understatement. He most certainly should start on the 5th floor as they lead by example. Better yet, maybe the Federal Government should do the house cleaning starting with the 11th floor.
Hahaha, only an idiot could not read between the lines to knwow that the majority of the comments here are cop generated. And I don't live under a rock, I am in touch with my community and I hate to give you the news but most of the comments here are of the minority, so most of you are living in a fantasy world, what a crock!
Now get out there and do the job we pay you to do, instead of spreading hate and discontent.
I wrote the third comment up, and do not work for "you". If I lived in a fantasy world, it would'nt have Marty, or Ray in it. Nor would it have crime, illegal aliens, unarmed APS officers or a local govt that is bought and paid for. Or laundry, don't forget laundry.
Some of you need to get the hell out of your box or off the 11th and 5th floors once in awhile and mingle with the rest of the public, w/o your bodyguards. You might hear what people really think of you. You can fool some of the people some of the time, and all of the people some of the time. You can't fool all of the people, all of the time. We, the voting public, are no longer fooled. And it occurs to me that if the disgruntled city employees got together, they would be the biggest voting block in the city. Maybe little Marty, and his minions need to think about that.....
it always amazes me when I go on a trip and come back here just what an armpit this city is. As soon as I can, I'm out of here, and taking my tax dollars w/ me.
Has anyone done a study on how many people are moving into this city, or state, and how many are moving out? I bet there's more leaving than coming in.
No kidding, Ive come home from road trips, and once I start seeing the graffitti and the beat down hoopties with the backwards ball caps inside the pistol under the seat usually moves back up to the waistband.
..it always amazes me when I go on a trip and come back here just what an armpit this city is. As soon as I can, I'm out of here, and taking my tax dollars w/ me.
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Oh, Noooo we are going to miss your $5 in tax funds. What are we gonna do?
4 posts up....If you are a city employee then you most certainly do work for me. And as for the voting public comment, we saw what a driving force they were with all 100 signatures on Mr. Pyke's recall petition. We are not worried, the good, honest and hardworking people are the ones that vote & each time they vote for Marty in mass.
Enough about who is or isn't a damned employee of the city! Quite honestly I could care less. I thought this blog was for all citizens to voice their thoughts on various issues. Wasn't the topic of this blog illegal immigrants?
You'll get over it....
Well that's nice. Does anyone think that this city has a real moral decay problem?
This city is quickly turning into another third world piss hole. This city needs some real hard core F_ _ king law and order, period. Someone needs to get some real MF stones around here quick.
You'll get over it.....
back to the original topic:
http://origin.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_6684100
One doesn't have to be racially bigotted to realize that we have a problem with people who are legal citizens of another country coming to our nation and using services that we, citizens of the US, pay for with our taxes. Our educational and health systems are suffering for it and it's showing. We have to educate our own US children, and these children are of all ethnic groups and racial backgrounds. If we had that extra money that illegal are siphoning, perhaps we could do more to increase math and science literacy, which are depressingly low for such a great country, and educate more kids and adults to combat their obesity, which is depressingly all too common and ridiculous for such a great country.
You try moving to Mexico and getting services for yourself and kids there. Can't do it.
Read their rules for immigration and weep. They have what we SHOULD have and SHOULD enforce!
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