However, we do notice when it comes time to lay blame on others or to boost himself, Chief Schultz cannot get in front of the cameras fast enough. In just a few weeks, one of Chief Schultz most public and controversial incidents will conclude. This case is the labor hearing involving former officer John Doyle. If you recall, Mr. Doyle was terminated by Chief Schultz (no DCOP Banks, it’s not the city of Albuquerque who terminated him) after a seemingly endless, and multiple, internal investigation stemming from Mr. Doyle and Mr. Woolever’s arrest of wanted violent fleeing felon, Nicholas Blume.
Initially, Chief Schultz said the force used by Mr. Doyle and Mr. Woolever was “of great concern.” Despite the fact that a chain of command of some of his most experienced officers had confirmed Mr. Doyle’s use of force as necessary, that it was consistent with training provided by APD’s police academy and it’s SOPs. While disturbing to the casual, and uninformed observer (and apparently the editors at the Albuquerque Journal), instead of backing his officers in their arrest of an armed, violent, resisting, and wanted felon, Chief Schultz “…immediately ordered a criminal investigation.” In the hours following Mr. Doyle’s final meeting with the chief, Chief Schultz grandstanded his termination of two officers who had apprehended one of APD’s most sought felons with minimal harm and under more dangerous circumstances where other officers have shot suspects. But knowing this, Chief Schultz oddly asserted it wasn’t what the officers did that led to their termination, it was what they didn’t do: search the subject. “The last thing they should do is turn their backs on the suspect,” Chief Schultz boasted to the Jeff Proctor of the Journal. We wonder if Chief Schultz watched the same video as everybody else? Prior to Mr. Woolever even getting his handcuffs out and on Blume, Doyle immediately stops his use of force. This cessation of force shows Mr. Doyle was in complete control and had a focused effort to do one thing: Assist Mr. Woolever in getting Blume in custody. Mr. Woolever then bolts from Blume and bends over in distress. At this point Mr. Doyle goes to check on his partner who appears winded from the experience of fighting with Blume. Mr. Doyle continues to check on his partner and then pats him on the back which somehow gets grotesquely twisted and promoted as a “belly-bump.” Mr. Doyle then goes back to Blume.
Chief Schultz apparently forgot there is one occasion when you leave a suspect, and that is to render aid. In other words, that is to provide back up to your partner or a citizen in distress instead of remaining focused on a suspect. But the irony of all of this is that it was Mr. Doyle who obtained the video from the hotel’s surveillance system. It was Mr. Doyle who agreed to waive his constitutional rights in order to be transparent during the criminal investigation. Incidentally, it wasn’t APD’s Violent Crimes Unit that did the investigation, it was Sgt. Ryan Buckner from APD’s Intelligence Unit who had promoted the apprehension and violent nature of Blume in the first place.
However, as much as Chief Schultz wants to omit and forget things that reveal his role and his awareness of this and all of the other controversial events facing APD, one cannot dispute this fact. Chief Schultz knew about how badly Sgt. Buckner wanted to catch Blume, he knew Blume’s history, and in fact he congratulated Mr. Doyle and Mr. Woolever’s efforts as the memo below reveals.
How does Chief Schultz transgress from telling the officers, "Great Work" to "You're Fired!" Is Shultz acting "two-faced" or is this a political act?
Mr. Doyle’s labor hearing commences August 1 at the city’s administration hearing office (the old SID building on Randolph SE). Any and all officers are encouraged to attend this public hearing in support of two officers who did the right thing when it needed to be done.
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That's Chief Banks to you Eye.
WOW!
Doyle my boy. It will good to see you back on the streets soon.
Chief Banks I think not. In my vision I see the coming of a man from APD's past, one who will make the department right with all but the true criminal who shall fear him.
Officers of APD stand and behold for you will be saved from all that has wronged you.
Those two officers are the ones that caught those other two murder suspects who shot and killed that teenager in the Southeast before the holidays that year. They caught that guy within hours of the shooting. They also caught David Banda who was robbing everyone in the Valley Area Command with a knife shortly after they caught Blume. I believe one of those officers is the one who caught that guy who stabbed two people on the Kirtland Airforce Base, and took him into custody while he was still armed with a knife after he drove his car through the front gates of the base. All those violent felons brought in without incident and that is the reward those guys got.
Schultz is a disgrace. Everyone involved in the travesty carried out on those two officers is a disgrace too. The city is going to lose it's shirt on this one.
Schultz ain't going anywhere, Berry and his little dog Perry are owned by him.
Why bother to read anything that Jeff Proctor writes? He drank the TJ Kool-Aid. TJ drank it and became Darren White's Little (Fat) Buddy. Jeff has shown he more than deserves the last name Proctor when it comes to how he protects Schultz. The Urinal is a joke. That Han cut throat lawyer needs to go after Schultz. Hard
9:48
You mean Gil Gallegos is coming back?
Sisi Saens seen with Perry again......I guess we all know who the nxt cheif will be....
This is relayed from a poster from the other side....Ms Sheep:
When speaking truth to power
First they ignore you,
Then they laugh at you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
--Gandhi
Make them pay Rob and John. Don't give them any quarter because these people are worse than Blume.
I hear that Schultz is going to re-write the APD use of force policy.
From now on APD cops will be issued pillow sacks filled with fluffy chicken feathers to use as a less than lethal weapon in the war against crime. APD top officials say that firearms, batons, oc spray, handcuffs and physical force is too harsh & offensive to criminals and the news media.
Funny how "some" APD bosses kind of blend into the shadows when cops get screwed over by the brass. Where was the police union? Fking crooks should be criminally charged with theft of service for stealing cops union dues $$$$$ and "not" providing fair professional service.
"Anonymous said...
9:48
You mean Gil Gallegos is coming back?"
Gil Gallegos is a good man, he was a real cop. Gil stood by APD 34's as he held post wit the FOP. Gil spoke out on behalf of APD 34's where the APOA and APD's administration failed. Gil fought for the rights of 34's and for fair pay and incentives. That being said, RJ will NEVER appoint Gil to COP. Instead, look at the newly appointed commanders to be called up to COP as the current DCOP's are tainted beyond repair. Banks and Feist are WORTHLESS LIARS... and, Warfield will be stimied by his civil rights case. Now we are left with a 5th Floor cocktail of Medina, Rowe, Christman, and (OMG) Camacho. How scary is that?!?!?!
The "Chat with the Chief" segment is a platform of which schultz, if he gave a crap, could easily convey supportive information and discussion as to SOP's, policies, procedures, laws, and criminal behaviors of suspects that would prompt an officer's response. But instead of standing for the men and women that he is charged to lead, he allows them to fall at the feet of uninformemed ignorance and politics. And, his stand-by of plausible deniability ("I know knothing") can only work for so long. At some point schultz will be held accountable to the training and expectations that he has of his officers. I guess it's a good thing that these guys didn't shoot this "fleeing violent felon", right. schultz would have had them criminally prosecuted from the get-go for sure.
@ 9:18...Gil was my mentor in DART. He was an amazing COP. I still think about lessons I learned from him every day.
Worst of all are those spineless individuals who took the orders to conduct a one sided investigation with a goal to frame and lie in this investigation. Those individuals need to be investigated and fired for lying.
9:48
You are correct to a point. If RJB promotes from within he might as well put the last nail in APD's coffin.
Don't be too quick to love Gil Gallegos. He made APD look great, up until the time he messed around in the Evidence Room. One mistake like that and your entire career is tarnished. For everything good Gil did, he let the department go to crap when he was chief and being fired will always be a blemish on his record. I think he thought he was too big to fail, or get caught.
Schultz always gets a pass on the evidence room....he was the DCOP overseeing it. Let's be honest, if Gil got in before 9am it was a busy day. Ray is up to his eyeballs in the Evidence Room scandal....he is the one who one's it.
"@ 9:18...Gil was my mentor in DART. He was an amazing COP. I still think about lessons I learned from him every day."
I wish Kelly Sandoval would stop posting here.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there are cops on this department who have arrested a lot of homicide offenders, more than you can one two hands. This includes arresting them without any ci and doing good ol police work; which I know is no longer a practice within apd. The department doesn't care about you're past all they judge is what is immediate and in front of them.
Doug West how is SID treating you? You have all your boys in there and now you are treading to keep you're head above water. Nice to have all your buds in SID a lot of good its doing you know hu? Keep up the good work. Don't take but a few years for those favors to start showing up.
Perry you should look at SID and their stats or lack of. All they do is pick up warrants. Easy stats.
@ July 13, 2012 2:17:00 PM MDT
Let us not forget it was feist who was in charge of Evidence at the time, and schultz too was in the loop. I believe it is the female civilian tramp in Evidence that burned MANY of APD's top brass. Why is it again that she and her civilian cohort neverfound themselves incarcerated?!?!?!
This is why APD has become so frkn pathetic, APD's sexcapades...
@ July 13, 2012 7:54:00 AM MDT
Although I like Christman I do not believe that he should get the nod. The fact fact that he is so close to RJ and Perry is reason enough. As for Rowe, he is a very good guy, but FAR from even being remotely accomplished or worthy of such appointment. As for Camacho (dodi the dodo), give me a frkn break. No common sense and no work ethic whatsoever. The only thing that she has going for her is a multi-minority status. And Medina, wow! He is a spin doctor in his own right. Polictics won him over long, long ago. As for current 5th floor occupants. Banks is a LAZY LYING COMPANY MAN, period! Feist is even a bigger LYER and COMPANY MAN, period. And as for Warfield (wasn't he retiring not too long ago?)he has a little civil rights issue to deal with I believe.
Here is a wildcard for you, Mike Castro. A caucasion conservative with a minority name.
Just a hunch...
The shame here is that two officers here did their jobs, arrested a violent felon that had previously threatened a detective, and escaped police during various other pursuits, and protected an entire hotel from the wrath of this felon who by the way was staying in that hotel and trying to get back to his room, and they are fired. God knows how much grief, possible injuries or death was avoided by the heroic dedicated and determined actions of these men.
Instead, high ranking members of APD gather together with the help of a few of their order takers, and devise a story of what happened on a videotape that is grainy and of such a poor quality that it is almost worthless, and with no sound. These people in a position of power on a police department put elements of a situation into their story in order to frame officers, and accuse them of outlandish nonsense so that they could create an event that would take all the attention away from their corrupt selves and paint themselves the caretakers and do gooders of the APD who are cleaning things up, when they were and still are the corrupt problem. Their cleverly detailed plan backfired in their faces when Schultz covered up the fact that Blume was a suspect in a very high profiled murder case in a SE hotel where a woman was shot in the back of her head, he was wanted for armed robbery, agg batt with a deadly weapon, false imprisonment and aggravated burglary or home invasion and then this information started to trickle out. It was obvious that something was dirty. Then one of these slanderous political appointees fabricates a story about a belly bump. Now that is disgusting. One of those officers could have been killed. That felon had a loaded semiautomatic handgun in an inside the waistband holster in his posession that night. The one officer obviously looks distressed and over the radio could not even be understood when he tried to transmit. It was obvious to anyone watching that video that the one officer went to check on his friend. There is nothing wrong with that. Did anyone mention that there was another person in the truck with that wanted felon that night with a gun. Again, those officers are lucky that they were not shot or killed. The person who interjected that those officers celebrated is despicable, and it's obvious they have never been in a situation these officers were in that night or feared harm or death coming to their partner. It is evident that that was another blatant ploy just as the concealing of this felons wants and actions was to make a justified situation look bad in the media and public.
All in all, Schultz and his round table used these officers to fool people into thinking that they were doing something about the perceived issues plaguing APD that they themselves (Schultz and gang) are the source of. Ironic isn't it?
All of this when these guys were cleared by their commander who stood up and did what was right calling out these liars.
Like another poster said, thank God those officers used restraint, and didn's shoot. Others have been shot for far less. The only difference being that there was no video with which those with their necks in the gallows could use to release themselves.
When the rest of what the investigators did involving the one sided investigation surrounding that event, along with those directing their actions comes to light, and it's connections with others peripherally involved, don't be suprised if there are actions brought against those individuals criminally.
Way to abuse your officers.
Keep your heads held high fellas, You did nothing wrong. In fact, you did what few could.
"He thought he was too big to fail" now we know where Schultz learned it from.
"someone from the past coming back to save us" isn't that how we got Schultz?
And heads up 34s DoJ is here and they don't care who we shot, but they sure are asking a lot of questions about how the Dept spends their grant money.
Si Si Chief! Fits right in with Berry. As union president she sold everyone out for the lunch time law suit to get promoted to Lieutenant. SHE WIll Be Berrys PUPPET FOR SURE.
Sisi for Chief.....ummm, well only if we're all cool with her getting cited in Las Vegas for public urination. That's right fellas, hike up ur skirt and....squat....
As far as Doyle and Woolever go....one giant fuckn disgrace. Two hard working cops that always were great 82 get boned by Paiz and Schultz. I'll be there at old SID on Randolph SE.
Schultz and his APD executive staff are a joke. They are not cops. They are management! They have weasels like the alburquerque journal news reporter whatever his name is? Publishing very tainted facts of an inicident. That scumbag reporter quotes APD commanders all the time, then taints the quotes to sell more of his anticop news articles. He even had the balls to claim he studied use of force policies and was sort of an expert? Bullshit! Mr. journal news reporter -> any asshole can read a book! I would love to see your performance on the street during real life dangerous encounters. He would shit his pants and quit the 1st day on the job.
P/O Woolever & P/O Doyle you guys are aces! You did nothing wrong! Keep up the good work & see you guys back very soon working at the APD.
The Feds caught Al Capone with tax evasion. The DOJ is going to look like idiots for throwing good money after bad and not bothering to check for themselves that Schultz was spending responsibly. Now folks sit back and watch the Schultz whale blow up and die.
7:19,
That is a shame. Are you in agreement with the department doing that? Also, did those guys who have caught all those murderers do it during an in progress action? Did they do it without a team of officers? Did they catch them in a violent act? I was just wondering, because counting on more than two hands means that one guy caught more than ten murderers, and considering the homicide rate in Albuquerque, that means one officer caught all the homicide suspects in the last few years. WOW! Who is this superman? Hate to smash your balloon, but criminals are caught through CIs, intelligence, and teamwork. No there is not one officer who is the man. If there is I haven't seen him yet. There are alot of good officers though. The sad thing is just your philosophy regarding the fate of others. The "oh well, it wasn't me" theory and the "oh that's just the way it is" theory. Well, that is the problem, No one has the balls to stand up and make a change.
Just sayin...
SiSi doesn't stand a chance. No one is around who will protect her and that Han lawyer has been asking about SiSi. Can't be good.
You know, it is pathetic that other officers can't complement other officers on their accomplishments and that they feel the need to counter people's success with remarks about how they did better. What is worse is when officers get a kick out of the misfortune of others. Never understood that. Must be a glitch in the upbringing.
When the lawyer representing Han's family commences her proceedings against her targets, it's going to be like a canned Russian Harp seal clubbing contest....
Guess who the seals are going to be?
Jackson is right.
They will nail this administration over a lie they find in their paperwork or in a small detail they left uncovered that leads to the bigger one they worked like maniacs to cover up. Anyhow, it will only be a matrter of time before their crooked ways comes to light in a very big way. They are all on record lying already. None of the DCOPS have viability testifying. All any lawyer has to do is bring in Deposition transcripts or audio of their lies to decertify them as incredible and their case against anyone will go kapoofff!
Kapoof....classic. And true.
Last Fall, Thomas Perez from DOJ's Civil Rights Division came out here, met with families of folks shot by APD, said hello to Schultz, and bye to Berry, a quick speech, then he left. That was it. And guess what, that is it. That's all that DOJ is gonna do. APd is too fucked up for them to deal with. There's bigger and easier fish for them to clean. Why waste the energy here when they got Schultz to violate cop's civil rights as he sees fit.
APD's illustrious union president Joey Sigala is gonna go back on duty despite being involved in at least two violent felony level DV incidents AND is a suspect of embezzling tens of thousands of dollars of APOA money. Schultz seems to disappear at will whenever the heat comes on leaving his minions to take the hit...with Banks and Feist only to stupid to realize they're lying or being held in contempt and ridicule...promotions of a bunch of commanders are based on skin color and gender before merit...APD is swimming in a sea of lawsuits and huge cases grow cold because nobody really is interested in working them from the West Mesa serial murder to Mary Han's murder....and we're actually at the point where APD supports the shooting of unarmed unknown subjects attempting to flee but will push for the prosecution of two cops who arrest a Nazi wanted for endless felonies and possible murder.
If Perez sends in the DOJ to issue a consent decree and P and P review of APD I'll be surprised...the fact is, the place is too fucked up, and as of late, it seems all but a few really don't care....how long have we gone without a contract? What's the point of the APOA now?
Take a look at that badge we all wear and remember that it aint yours. I invite somebody to prove me wrong, I really do. And to that faggot who's gonna go "just quit" go fuck yourself. Wear a pink shirt at the next APOA meeting so I know who you are and you'll see "quit" stamped all over your ass.
APD is like Penn State:
Penn State can learn from its mistakes...but needs new leadership, fresh blood -- someone from outside Happy Valley..."It's a cocoon. It's a bubble. That's why those inside the bubble are really struggling. They're afraid; they're embarrassed; they're struggling with what to do," she said. "Now the question is, 'do you face reality?'"
Nah, maybe they need to be bitch slapped instead.
Mr Wolf for Chief.... The guy has BALLS.. WE need someone that has a SET... Mr. Wolf would clean house from the top.. Promote the ones that deserve it and not because of gender or race....
I didn't realize that APD Officers can only arrest people who have committed violent crimes in Alb. Good thing wanted violent offenders do not travel to Alb thank you Chief Schultz for that they must be ascared of you.
The 5th floor along with those who do their bidding (they know who they are)are terrified of the DOJ coming in because if they do these liare won't be able to play their lie games anymore. The old "just say it" won't float. Lie to the DOJ or FBI and your ass will be going to jail. That's right liars, it won't be swept under the rug when you say one thing and actually dis or said another. YES, that is a lie. Dirty filthy liars.
SID does need to be looked at! how is it thst ryan nelson has earned 62000 in six months? and most of the top 20 earners are SID? whats the deal?
Why don't more people being screwed by APD hire that "cut throat" attorney Han's family hired?? It sounds like she knows what she's doing and is really going to stick it to them. Will the DOJ listen if people start calling non stop....what's the hold up already
All of APD needs to be audited. The city audit exposed the mismanagement of the retention program. I am here to tell you that there is mismanagement and corruption at all levels of APD. We need an independent audit of the entire department to expose it. The city council can order this audit, will they?
@11:38. Ummmm they all work thier asses off? They put in tons of time to get all the shit off the streets and work hours upon hours without sleep most of the time. Maybe we'll let all the meth houses stay in your neighborhood
Anyone have the Han cut throat lawyer's contact info?
@11:38
OT is available for everyone reguardless the unit. Stop crying about what the other man does/has and put your own time in. Jealous little punks,your the reason we can't unite.
There goes Schultz again with his damn cameras. Again, he's got something to present he can't get in front of the media fast enough. When he gets hit with misppropriation issues where will he be.....
WHY?
I don't know who is in charge at APD but the field is so short its stupid. Something has to give and I hope its not another 34 getting hurt or killed. Remember don't c4 your 82 we have to take care of ourselves because management isn't.
ANDREW Feist is in SID now GEEEEEEEEEEEZ.... He was an FET not too long ago. His brother was able to get him in the Academy and now he's a 34. He was a lazy FET and now he is just as lazy but getting paid at a higher rate. VERY VERY SAD.......
4:37,
Must run in the genes. It's great how people are known for this yet they screw over everyone they can to get what they want.
Imagine a fair level playing field where these types would have to compete with people whom they would have no chance against for positions. They would be doing what they try to relegate everyone else to. Disgraceful, totally disgraceful.
If everyone unit had fair testing there would be units that rock. None of this "my buddy" system. Its obvious that the buddy system does not work and if the general public knew that is how these units are done they wouldn't be to happy about it.
This would be a good project for a new chief and everyone would be grateful. Well, not everyone only the good Officers who have problem solving skills and not a raw tongue.
I thought andrew feist has been in sid for quite some time now, had been working very closely with/for that ratboy buckner, hasnt he???
Schultz should have a camera in every briefing to show just how few officers are working the streets. He then can post it at APD's youtube channel.
Ray Ray wants accountability, well lets show the public how Ray Ray is putting the public in danger by mismanagement of his officers.
The Eye really needs to do an article on the relationship Kathy Levy has with Ray Schultz and the lengths she goes to protect him. She's been given an office on the 5th floor as well as a parking space at main station. She is never in her office at City hall and she acts like a "police groupie". There is so much to be written about Levy and how she rolls over to settle cases instead of defending them.
FYI Medina wife's and the guy who failed the polygraph twice are in the next academy. They are not qualified.
Good Job SE Davids for finding the outstanding 27-1 offender!!!!!!
@ July 19, 2012 4:46:00 PM MDT
Pay very close attention here. This is a repeat of the early 90's, the 66th class to be exact, where another captain/commander had influence over a family member being accepted and ushered though to graduation. Former captain leslie martinez (academy captain by the way) made sure that her not so qualified daughter, michael martinez, was given "special" treatment through recruiting and the (then) para-military training and curriculum. As it turns out, michael was able to complete an entire LE career because she was allowed to graduate against the advice of former academy staff. Upon graduation she never really did function as a 34 as she hid in every nook and cranny that APD would provide. PATHETIC... Now, are the real men and women of APD going to stand idle and allow for another act of nepotism by APD's top brass. This is a very serious career choice that we all have made, yet it is APD itself who makes the unethical choices and routinely promotes unsafe practices to cater to those other than US. This is our 82 we are taking about...
To the 34 talking about FSB personnel, get a copy of each area command's squad roster and email it to the Eye.
Will Ray move to decertify Joey Sigala as quickly as he did to decertify Al Walck? We are watching the LE Academy in Santa Fe to see when, if, Ray moves to decertify him.
Levy is going to take a legal beating for what she is involved in with those two officers. Hiding evidence is a no no. But she is the queen of legal game playing omissions, mirages, word games, and outright hiding the truth. If she ever rolled over she should walk away from the turd they created. Fighting something for the reason that your clients have stepped in it too deep, and are facing legal demise over it, instead of admitting wrongdoing, is corrupt. It is especially embarrassing for her when her own colleagues state that alleged illegal behavior should be indemnified while throwing officers under the bus for doing their jobs. What a contradiction. Does one hand know what the other hand is doing in the city attorney's office? Disparity, lies and contradiction. Settlement is going to be the city atorney's middle name after the next few months.
Is it no coincidence that feist, buckner, west, and a few others are in sensitive assignments, where integrity is in high question concerning investigations where it seems quite obvious that tasks were undertaken for the purposes of supporting their handlers, fathers supervisors and so called leaders? What other place would you have your people than in a place where they can do your dirty work and influence the outcomes of situations in your favor at your direction. Now that secret phone numbers are known, key dates where investigations were conducted, along with interviews will be linked to individuals who should have had no contact with the investigator in the listed matter proving illegalities and tampering and wrongful influence. Proceedural inconsistencies will show their motives. Evidence will prove their culpability.
And the standards for entrance into the APD Academny keep getting lower and lower... There will be nothing but non qualified, tree hugging, less than lethal round carrying, fat assed officers out there. Officers are leaving the department in droves....
Ch 7 had a chance to tell the real Han story. They didn't because Schultz didn't want them to do it. Everyone is chickenshit except that cut throat lawyer.
Really what do you know about channel 7 and the Han case?
2:00. Hiding in the shadows
And waiting to destroy the living shit out of corrupt scum. They think they can remove one adversary, only to face a hundred more in their place. This administration has stabbed so many people in the back that they will never be ready for the tidal wave that is on it's way. Jail cells for all of them.
330....nice!! I like her She has lots of support
If you have a problem with people's annual salary, have them do an audit in payroll. That place is a mess. Has been for years.
No one is getting rid of this ridiculous chief. If he decides to retire, then what? Banks?!?! GEEEZ, you just have a line of scumbags lined up to take his place. Taught to be just like him, by him. EVENTUALLY, they will all get what they deserve. All of them, sworn and civilian. Those claiming to be God fearing men/women are not fearing enough. Their big heads have damaged their vision and they can't see what's coming at them.
You can go to church every Sunday. A hypocrit is a lying hypocrit. God has a special place for liars and hypocrits. They are already seeing God's work all around them. Justice always has a way of working itself out. It's starting with the city attorney. She's already under water in her multiple messes and attempts to mop up the messes she and her buddy Schultz have made. The creature from the black lagoon is under fire from so many directions she doesn't have enough king's horses and king's men to put things back together again. Sit back and watch the show. They are all on their way to a total collapse and meltdown. Funny thing is, nobody has to lift a finger to make it happen. They all did it to themselves. It's all over.
Paul Kennedy? Whats up with that? Is he working for the City now too?
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