The Piercing Truth

This is right from the dictionary and seems to describe Albuquerque, Berry and Schultz. Fascism (f ash ,izem) noun An authoritarian right wing system of government and/or social organization. (in general use) extreme right wing, authoritarian, chauvinistic and/or intolerant views or practices. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one group over another, national, ethnic, especially social strata or monetarily; a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach. Compliments of one of our Eyes

Nov 13, 2007

Target Kirby: Timeline for Retaliation

We've been following the story of Officer Ben Kirby for some time now. Kirby is the officer that got canned for springing developer Jason Daskalos from the DWI paddy wagon last year. A couple of weeks ago we told you that Kirby had become the target of a grand jury investigation into his actions (read it here).

We mentioned in that post that the timing of the investigation seemed curious. We'll we've gotten a little more information on the events following the notorious trip and it's got us even more intrigued. As we told you (here), the decision to target officer Kirby for indictment comes almost immediately after the city was notified that Officer Kirby intended to sue the city in order to get his job back. What's more interesting is that Chief Ray Schultz indicated in a letter to the Director of the NM DPS Center Thomas Lyon, that the District Attorney's office had reviewed the case and decided not to prosecute officer Kirby. The DA's decision was included in a letter concerning the revocation of Kirby's Officer Certification way back in March.

Let's take a quick look at the timeline:
  • August 25, 2006 - Kirby springs Daskalos
  • October 25, 2006 - APD terminates Officer Ben Kirby
  • March 21, 2007 - APD requests NMDPS Decertify Kirby
  • September 5, 2007 - Kirby files lawsuit requesting reinstatement
  • September 11, 2007 - DPS sends notice to Kirby at APD that he is subject to continued action regarding his law enforcement certification
  • October 22, 2007 - Kirby is notified that he is the target of a grand jury investigation
To us it looks just a little suspicious that none of the state agencies responsible for looking into the Daskalos incident chose to do anything about Kirby until after he files a lawsuit asking for his job back.

Our Eyes tell us that originally, the grand jury was to meet last Thursday and that at the last minute the session was canceled. The rumor is that the DA wanted to present evidence pertaining to the here to fore unnamed co-conspirator and that conspirator was Jason Daskalos for assisting an escape.

Now we don't know what's going on here. It seems strange that Daskalos could be charged as a conspirator in his own escape. We'd think he'd be charged with unlawful flight from prosecution or some such legalese.

However one thing is sure, whether Daskalos is in the DA's crosshairs or not, Ben Kirby certainly is and from the timeline above it looks as if they mean to get him. More importantly, it appears as if they went after him criminally and for decertification after he had the temerity to sue for his job back. Can you say prosecutorial misconduct? Can you say retaliation?

102 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who was the prosecutor in the Duke fiasco?? What happened when he tried this??

Anonymous said...

Stench again at City Hall.
Our 'red light' MONEY is going to mini grants to the DAs Office. Two fold; to take of the dirty laundry and for Marty's endorsement

Anonymous said...

Well technically Kirby should get his job back! Do you really think Ray will let that happen? He would have to admit he screwed up or someone else did, who's willing to take the fall for that?...

Benjamin enjoy your new found windfall of cash courtesy of the city!

Anonymous said...

The timeline sounds reasonable to me, only time will tell. I guess you could call it retaliation if he is NOT INDICTED. As a citizen, I expect the Chief and all public officials to prosecute criminals. I believe Mr. Kirby to be a criminal and hope they do bring him to trial for assisting an escape from custody. Let a Judge & Jury decide, not this rag. I thank the Chief for cleaning the trash out of this Department, it was long over due!

Anonymous said...

Daskalos is a creep! He's a creepy creep! I hope Kirby has learned that if you lay down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas.

Anonymous said...

" Cleaning the trash out" Please.
The trash is still there along side the garbage.

Anonymous said...

And please, spare all of us the speach about how he did nothing that other people haven't done as well. We all know about Robert Ortega's brother blah, blah blah!Kirby f****d up. Plain and simple. He probably thinks he's above reproach like his buddy Daskalos.

Anonymous said...

And please, spare all of us the speach about how he did nothing that other people haven't done as well. We all know about Robert Ortega's brother blah, blah blah!Kirby f****d up. Plain and simple. He probably thinks he's above reproach like his buddy Daskalos.

Anonymous said...

Speech. Sorry. My bad. I hate spelling errors.

Anonymous said...

It wasn't Kirby's doing. Does he even know Daskalos? He simply followed orders of someone high up the food chain that this scumbag family knows.
Wonder who that could be? At least four characters in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding " had the same name.

Anonymous said...

THE END IS NEAR

Anonymous said...

THE END IS NEAR........

I agree, put Ben in jail. He's a crook!

Anonymous said...

Here, here. Don't forget to send the "Eye" I mean Mark B with him for that mess that he was involved in with that crooked drunkard Attorney! Now there was some criminal activity!

Anonymous said...

Again, it's not Brawley. He can write this.

Anonymous said...

just to adds some flames. Do I agree that Ben should be fired on his actions, YES. HOWEVER did he get a fair process regarding his hearings? NO. You know its bad when a recently left Director calls a relative of Ben the DAY BEFORE his termination hearing and tells him that his son should be seeking other employment.

This city's administration is a Joke. Even when people should get fired, they can't do it right. Like a previous post stated. Ray (can't even call him Chief, a Chief is a leader) isn't cleaning up the department, he is just shifting the problem children that was hired under him(both as Deputy Chief, and Chief) to 'invisible' places.

Remember the helicopter purchase that was not adequate at the time nor is it now? The one that was stated it was pressure from a previous admin. Thank Ray he was the decision maker on that one. He's the reason that you see a noisy, low flying $30,000 airplane circling instead of the 1.5 million helicopter known by Officers as Ground 1.

Cleaning up the department? Nahhh Just throwing dirt on the trenches he dug.

Anonymous said...

The case against Kirby is done, the ADA was on vacation and it was resheduled. If you dont have your facts "kinda straight" don't be posting all the bs lies and assumptions.

Anonymous said...

Kirby screwed the pooch and he admits it, he also isnt saying anything about any call from above to do what he did! I had the pleasure of seeing him just a few days b4 he moved and he seems resigned to new careers and a new venue. It seems a bit late in the day to seek an indictment.

Anonymous said...

move? where did he move to??

Anonymous said...

He didn't move anywhere he's still here and very close working but not in law enforcement.

Anonymous said...

HIRE Kirby BACK........! Fight on dude.

Anonymous said...

I hope they nail that crook Nick Bakas for this one as well. He got the Fire Chiefs brother out of jail and he helped Dasklos...

Fry Bakas, Fry!!!!!!

Come on media get this dirt bag..

The AG's office investigators wanted to get him for the APD evidence scandle, but Patricia, can't debate Madrid got Bakas off!

I wonder how much Greek money she got?

Anonymous said...

Bakas is a crook, a liar, and a hypocrite! He belongs in prison or hell!

Anonymous said...

Kirby made a poor ethical choice. If someone higher up gave him a order then it was an unlawful order that he should of refused to comply with. His actions alone deserve termination. Criminal charges now....can't make a decision on that unless I get to see all of the evidence.

Anonymous said...

Both Daskalos & Kirby should be punished! End of story!!

Anonymous said...

Last post is the best post

Anonymous said...

That dirt bag crook, Nick Bakas should also go to jail for all the illegal stuff has done over the years! he is part of the Kirby/Daskolos scandle also!

Bakas is a crook and as dirty as they come!

Anonymous said...

Name specifics, don't just blow air. What has he done? Can you prove anything or is this just rumor?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I can't, just repeating rumor...........So kick me already I got caught up in the moment.

Anonymous said...

I won't kick you, just wonder if you will post an apology since you don't know anything but rumors.

Anonymous said...

how's that expression go.. "If it looks like a duck........"

OR, If I THINK you did it, you did it.

Anonymous said...

Specifics on BAKAS, why sure!

How about all the inside deals he worked with George Peaches...Bakas had the city pay him way more money that his bar was worth and even though it was a problem bar, the SE Area command under Bakas did nothing to him. Peaches gave him free beer for Bakas Baseball team. Ed Sauer use to be seen constantly loading it into the trunk of his police car for Bakas!

He also violated policy when he took the Fire Chief's brother out of jail and gave him special treatment on a DWI. He's done this a few times.

He promoted APD DCOP's knowing full well about their past illegal issues and even covered up other crimes they had commited.

He knew about the APD evedence scandle and covered it up!


The list goes on!!!!!!!

NICK BAKAS is a crook!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Post the property appraisals & sale documents online....

Show us photos of the car getting loaded with free beer.....

Post the bonding or prisoner release documents.......

List the names of the DCOP's & detail their crimes or convictions....

Lastly, produce one document or piece of evidence that shows he covered anything up relating to the evidence room......

Just cuz you say it's true, dosen't make it so..... Put up or shut up...........

Anonymous said...

Calm down there Nick, your time is near! your already being stashed away by the mayor in closets as it is. Enjoy your last few days of pathetic glory. Don't you have a boxing match to attend free of charge somewhere? That way you can do what you do best and turn around and complain about it later and act like a hypocrite?

Anonymous said...

Lets see how much Greek money Nick Bakas will need to give Mayor Chavez and Schultz to get his son Chris Bakas promoted to Capt!!!!

Stay tuned for that one..
Remember you heard it first on the eye!

K. McCoy said...

These posts, and not just on this thread, may actually accomplish something if you cowards would come out of the shadows and present facts instead of rumor. But that would require effort, which to this point very few people posting here have displayed. That may explain why some of you have miserable lives and worthless careers. Stop being angry that the Chief and Deputy Chiefs have achieved more than you, and move on. Just accept the fact they were willing to put in the effort while you stayed in the shadows.

Anonymous said...

Four posts up! Come on Nick, many of us worked with you back in the 70's and early 80's. Who are you trying to kid, you were always working some back room deal to further your career! You made capt because of politics and even got that worthless Wadley promoted to capt because of your connections to Marty Chavez...

You went to law school working a deal there as well with Desario, the Dean. However, you could not work a deal to pass the state bar, that's why you have failed it multiple times. In fact, you have still have not passed it!

So, don't come across with your B.S. defense of pictures, documents, etc. Those are the words of a very guilty individual! Those of us who are familiar with you know what you have done and know your capability of working shady deals!

Last post,, for you info, I was a very high ranking officer with APD! Since those years have past, I am now doing very well in another state, but still like to keep up with APD, as it was my home for 26 plus years.

So, quit kissing ass, I saw way too much of that well I was there and it's not pretty. Have some pride!

Politics seems to be very pervasive through out APD now.

Politics in policing leads to corruption!!!

Just a heads up!

Anonymous said...

It is easy to defame someone anonymously. The real credibility issue is to do what is right and if you have evidence, post it, give it to the DA, give it to the media etc. This bullshit of defaming people through anonymous smear rumors needs to stop. If any of you are or were APD cops you need to expect more of yourself. Either do your job as a cop and post evidence or do your job as a human and not smear someone.

dread pirate Roberts said...

Sadly the above posters are both "sort-of" right. It is wrong to defame someone anonymously, however there were a LOT of "favors" asked by certain people over the years. Specifics are available however no one is exactly being subpoenaed to give those specifics. The topic is not how some cops got some 1/2 price beer, it is how certain people got ahead via the wrong path. The above retired guy poster (2 posts up) gave a huge clue about who and how promotions came about in that era directly via political payback.(allegedly) Another one that bears strong investigation is who the mayor appointed chief of the Airport PD a few years ago, and why. I'm suprised that particular stone is still un-turned. Hint to our media readers, connect the dots from the ABQPAC ethics vote a few years ago to the airport chief's appointment. (allegedly)

Anonymous said...

The Airport Chief was selected by Nick Bakas. Marshal Katz is Bakas' best friend just like Ed Sauer is. Bakas promoted them both, Sauer, twice!

Just for information, Katz was not even in the top four during the interview process for the Airport Chief! Bakas manipulated the outcome and made his best friend, Katz, Chief! I'll bet all the paper work from the process has disappeared.

I have personal knowledge that Katz was not the top person during the Airport Chief's interview process.

Katz is the same APD Sgt that was always in trouble for violating procedures and working for and doing personal favors while on duty. He is known for this and every APD cop that worked with him knows this to be true, even the above poster defending Bakas with his heart and soul!!!!!

Katz also took the APD Lt's test several times and could never pass it! Similar to what the above poster said about Nick Bakas and the Law School Bar Exam.

Clearly, Nick Bakas did manipulate the Airport Chief's process to select his buddy Marshal Katz for the job, although Katz was not in the top four interviewed. Those that were present during the proces also know this. The mayor let Bakas make this selection, as he owed Nick for the Greek donations to the mayor's race in which Chavez won.

Anonymous said...

That greek money is deep and endless! Too bad the greeks were not loyal enough to protect their fellow greek in trouble(Kirby), from the other Greek Daskalos's messy shenanigans. Yes Kirby is greek his parents operate some greek establishment in town correct?

Anonymous said...

I wish I was a rich greek i'm just a public servant. ):

Anonymous said...

I think I will start watching The 300 so I can get a real Greek story.

This crap of "I have personal knowledge" either makes you a coward for not standing up and notifying the proper authorities or a liar because you can't back it up. Well which one is it?

Come on folks if you are going to accuse someone have the balls to post the evidence or just go back to watching cartoons.

Anonymous said...

Like I said............


Post the property appraisals & sale documents online....

Show us photos of the car getting loaded with free beer.....

Post the bonding or prisoner release documents.......

List the names of the DCOP's & detail their crimes or convictions....

Lastly, produce one document or piece of evidence that shows he covered anything up relating to the evidence room......

Just cuz you say it's true, dosen't make it so..... Put up or shut up...........

Anonymous said...

Hate to say it, but the last post is right. If you have something,expose it.
Kind of like the belt tape involving PC and the gun to the head incident. Step up and do what's right. This City is falling apart.

Anonymous said...

Nick Bakas is also the one who got Mark Shepherd hired, sat on his interview board as well as being one of his references.
The city paid out over 50k on that one, and kept Shepherd anyway.
That is a fact, and easily proven.

Anonymous said...

I blame all the greeks, illegals and lets not forget them pesky rehires.

Anonymous said...

I thought Katz had been at the airport for several years? So would not a previous director have selected him???? Oh, and as far as I know Kirby's parents are not Greek, but I could be wrong, so what business do Kirby's parents own? Or is this just more rumor conveniently posted to fit the story???

As several posters have said if you have evidence come forward with it. The truth is you don't, but it is easier to pile on those in power now and blame them for decisions you do not agree with. What will you accuse Chief Ray or a DC of next?

As a side note, I love all the former high ranking officials from APD who post here but never leave their name. If you are long gone tell us who you are. But then again if you really are a former high ranking official some of the problems complained about here could be traced back to you.

Anonymous said...

They have prsented evidence in the past and the city just covers it up! I have heard that tape of DCOP Paul Chavez' ex saying that he held a gun to her head while the two argued on the 5th floor one night.

Ray Schultz did nothing about it!!!! If it would have been a patrolman he would have been prosecuted and you know that!

So, shut your pie hole about evidence! You guys cover everything! Even pictures....We are not stupid, we know how you operate. APD Evidence Room Scandle, case in point!!!Gallegos was banging all those girls and it was covered up, and there was evidence!!!!So, don't come with Where's your evidence BS.... You know Gallegos was dirty and left those girls there dispite the evidence!!!!!!! he even lost his wife because of it! She even found the evidence of his activity..


So, Shut the F*#k up about your evidence Bakas. You know what you have done and how you cover it up!

Anonymous said...

Nick was moved to the airport so Marty could keep him out of trouble. Everytime Nick opens his mouth, he embarrasses the 11th floor, and that is everytime. Notice, he does not do press confrences anymore.

Everyone knows what an embarrassment he is. We were all glad when Marty shipped him out. The worse part is, Nick did not even know he was being moved, hahahahaha. City Hall is quiet again. Nick was just an arrogant jerk! We are happy he's gone!

He thinks he is so smart, but is actually pretty stupid!

So long Nick, we hope you are enjoying Siberia and banishment!

Anonymous said...

Two posts up. Show some courage and go public since you have first hand knowledge of this stuff. If you don't have the balls to do it, then go back to cartoon land.

Anonymous said...

So long Nick, we hope you are enjoying Siberia and banishment!


I'd like a banishment like that. Nick moved to a nicer environment, got a bigger office, his own staff and a hefty pay raise....Hummmm, sounds like some kind of terrible move..........Duh

Anonymous said...

I wish I was a rich greek i'm just a public servant. ):............


I go to the St George Greek Festival every year...Does that count? I love that place and the people. They are loyal and support their own, something you should take a lesson from......

Anonymous said...

Ben Kirby is a criminal and belongs in jail! Good for you Chief for standing up and doing the right thing! This guy has no business tarnishing the badge I carried for so many years......

Anonymous said...

Bakas is a dirt bag crook!

K. McCoy said...

One post up. Try not to be too articulate or present too many facts. As is usual you present no evidence, nor do you identify yourself. Stop being jealous of the success other have attained. You had a worthless career and now a worthless life. Move on. Keep up the good work Chief Ray and Deputy Chiefs.

Anonymous said...

You'll be heading to jail soon! You know what I am talking about.

Anonymous said...

Word is you're going down with Kirby.


See Ya!

Anonymous said...

I would agree,,, all of the dirty cops at PD need to go down with Ben. Keep up the peoples work Chief, take em all down. When you rid our city of them then reward the good people that work here with a nice raise, say 5-10%. I support you Ray!

Anonymous said...

Ray is my hero! He hires only the best for APD! If you look at the facts only the scumbags have been fired or are pending termination.

Anonymous said...

Most of the crooked cops have been hired by Ray. He owns the problem officers, he hired them.

Anonymous said...

There is not a "crooked cop" issue, in fact most of the people you guys are baggin on are politicians. Point of fact, once someone becomes a department head via appointment they are pooliticos not cops (Bakas, Ray et. al.). Please stop bagging on the rank and file cops who are doing their jobs!!

Anonymous said...

true statement above post, everyone above lietenant rank is a politician. once they get up to that rank its all about them and screw all the rank and file below them.

Anonymous said...

Not all the high ranking officers have screwed the officers, some never forgot where they came from,and would help us, but they are all retired now.

Anonymous said...

Three posts up,

hmmmm APD does not have a crooked cop issue? The majority are good cops but don't close your eyes to what is currently going on. Marty and Ray have hired such questionable officers recently and now they are having to fire them. Need a list of questionable cops on APD, try this on:

Kirby, four ex NMSP officers who were in trouble for felony crime of double dipping, the officer who is under indictment who killed his step father, the officer in the pen for raping women on car stops, Maes who just bonded out after being accused of raping a prisoner, the Los Lunas lateral who's wife is now dead under suspicious circumstances with his gun, and we haven't even talked about DUI or other misdemeanors.

APD command staff has hired some very questionable officers. Oh Schultz jumps up and takes credit for firing them, but he is the one who hired these people! Schultz owns this problem and he should be held accountable.

Anonymous said...

Last poster is 100 percent correct. Schultz boasts of firing bad officers, but he is the guy who hired them all. He even hires people that Chief Selection Staff tells him not to hire.

The guy will do anything for his numbers!

Anonymous said...

Chief Gallegos and other male 34s were all having affairs with the girls from Eidence and it was allowed to go on in front of our eyes. When we at evidence unit complained we were told to mind our own business. All the males were involved in the evidence scandal and one was recently promoted to lt after having affair with one of the evidence technicians that was fired. Thats what apd men like, the more you mess around the more important you are.

Anonymous said...

did schultz hire matt griffin, bob davis, marco nanez, dave rokisky, ricardo chavez, cortney brazley, dan wiliams, frank perea, chris chase? etc etc etc all this rushing to hire bs is old, problems exist in every generation. every chief well before schultz hired one of the named above so its impossible to only get robots no matter who the chief is.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the above poster, brought back a lot of old memories.

The problem I have with Schultz is he comes off as saving the city on his white horse from these bad officers. I think he needs to be a bit more humble and admit that they were hired under him and not try to ignore or white wash that fact.

Anonymous said...

Last post, so true! Schultz also needs to be less condescending and arrogant towards his officers!

Then, APD's morale might improve!

Anonymous said...

True true

Anonymous said...

Few posts up, Amem to that!

Anonymous said...

Schultz will never change, as he only has his own interest at heart. The officers on the PD all know this!

Anonymous said...

The poster that named all the old APD guys who were crooks makes a good point, but I disagree.

All those APD guys spanned a time from the late 1970's to the late 1990
s. Now look at what we have going on since Schultz has been chief or deputy chief. The guys that have been fired during this time, that were all hired under Schultz is a huge list. Schultz owns them, he hired them.

Anonymous said...

So what your saying above is the officers fired recently are worse than the ones fired in the past? So Baca, Stover, Polisar, Galvin, & Gallegos didn't own the ones they hired? All chiefs hire crooks as we see the above list of names.

How can Schultz be more responsible than his predecesors? If officers are caught more often now than in the past then its whose fault? Seems like Schultz's biggest mistake over his previous chiefs has been to not make as many officer incidents get covered up as in the past.

As far as I can tell i haven't heard car one come over the air telling all units to code 4 from the mayors domestic like happened a few yers back under polisar. all chiefs are political pawns & puppets who just wanna keep their job for their whole term.

Anonymous said...

"Rank of Lt. and above will screw the troops below them". No always true. It depends on who the Mayor & Chief are.
I know of two highly respected ranking officers who's carreers ended because they refused to sell their integrity and their soul to support Marty Chavez.
There needs to be a little school yard ass whipping for that.
And they( powers to be) call themselves 'Men'
Men with vaginas, that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

This is what I mean, the number of officers hire by Schultz and then having to be terminated by him point to some real problems with his recruiting policy. He has had to fire more of the officers he has hired than any other chief and I think that points to a lack of standards for who he is hiring.

Now I would ask you to produce the tape of the mayors family fight. That rumor has been out there for years and it has never been proven. Once again either prove it, bring officers forward that heard the call, do something more than just toss out smear rumors.

Anonymous said...

I'm proud of my Dept. and Chief Schultz. He has the courage and the resolve to take action and fire these thugs & freaks with a badge. He is under increasing pressure to grow the Dept. but resists looking the other way when officers are revealed to be less than honorable. He steps in & pulls the pin....Good for you Chief, keep fighting the good fight!

Anonymous said...

But he is the one hiring these "thugs and freaks with a badge"! Schultz gives them the badge to begin with! There needs to be a complete overhaul of the recruiting system.

I would think the time to civilize it and give that a try has come.

Anonymous said...

Jeeezus. Learn to write.

Anonymous said...

let civilians do all the hiring now and send all the patrol officers doing it now back to the streets to take calls for service, now theres a concept.

Anonymous said...

Jesus is my first name, you can call me Mr. Christ

Anonymous said...

I would agree,,, all of the dirty cops at PD need to go down with Ben. Keep up the peoples work Chief, take em all down. When you rid our city of them then reward the good people that work here with a nice raise, say 5-10%. I support you Ray!

Anonymous said...

Please Ray stop hiring thugs and crooks. Don't hire them, then you don't have to fire them.

Anonymous said...

I'm proud of my Dept. and Chief Schultz. He has the courage and the resolve to take action and fire these thugs & freaks with a badge. He is under increasing pressure to grow the Dept. but resists looking the other way when officers are revealed to be less than honorable. He steps in & pulls the pin....Good for you Chief, keep fighting the good fight!

Anonymous said...

Please Ray stop hiring thugs and crooks. Don't hire them, then you don't have to fire them.

Anonymous said...

See today's Journal, Marty admitted that APD only has 998 officers. Now we know he counts the part time CSA's so when you remove them APD is below 950! They graduate 9 officers right before Christmas and are expecting almost 70 retirements by Jan 1, 2007! This city's police department is in crisis with it's staffing. They are not growing they are shrinking.

APOA you need to get these facts out to the media ASAP

APD will have only 900 full time sworn officer by January 1, 2007! And God knows how many of them are under investigation and indictment. Good job Ray and Marty, you have finally driven the car over the cliff.

Anonymous said...

There is only one way to solve this staffing crisis.......convert our PERA plan back to a 25 year 80%program. Once you do that, you can take a stab at creating a 5 year Drop Program to retain the officers that wish to stay longer....

Anonymous said...

Why do we need a DROP program? We just need to pay entry officers $21.07 and start giving a 10% pay raise to officers when they reach their 20th year. That would keep people from retiring.

We need to stop messing with out pensions in the effort to make a minority of people rich.

Anonymous said...

There is only one way to solve this staffing crisis.......convert our PERA plan back to a 25 year 80%program. The Legislature needs to look into this issue soon.

Anonymous said...

Would you feel this way if you were a 22 year old planning on joining APD? Your plan is set up only for the greed of the rehires, that's it.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a good recipe for oatmeal cookies that I can use for the Holidays? Please post, Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Just who would you have starting at the 25 year PERA plan?

Officers who have not retired yet? Can't be done, after 5 years they are vested in the 20 plan.

Officers with less than 5 years and new hires? That wouldn't be fair to them, but it is an alternative. But this plan would not help the hiring crisis for another 15 plus years when those guys hit their 20 and can't retire.

Nope I think you are either a rehire or about to retire and you are wanting to pad your pockets at the expense of younger officers. Instead of trying to sell this as a plan to help the hiring crisis, just be honest and say you want to be greedy at the expense of others.

Anonymous said...

Just because you are vested in a 20year plan does not prevent your service credits from being applied to a different plan. It can be done with a stroke of a pen, yours or the city's. And no, for your information, I am not a rehire or getting ready to retire from APS either. Since when does it cost others if an officer retires and then chooses to go back to work again? Explain to me how that costs you money?

Anonymous said...

For a plan to change the legislature must first approve the change. Then the affiliated members must vote on it. It is not a stroke of the pen. Once vested you are considered to have property rights to your pension and any change must be approved by the owners.

Since when does it cost others!!! Ask the young officers who would like to become a rangemaster. Ask the young detectives who would like to work cold cases, etc etc etc. Ask the officer who can't transfer because the only positions open have been GIVEN to retired officers so they won't quit. It costs because every year Albuquerque is lobbying to not have to pay PERA contributions for retired officers and if that ever succeeds the pensions fund will be in trouble. It costs because PERA is now having to defend itself in court because it is being sued by a bunch of APD retired rehires. No matter who wins, this issue would have never been raised if the rehire law was not enacted and I believe the pension fund should only go to running our pensions, not to paying attorneys.

Is this clear enough?

Anonymous said...

Thats all a bunch of BS. Look at the last report from PERA and the audit they just went through. Their own audit indicated that the rehire program had no impact and did not threaten the fund....The current credit problem and the declining stock market pose a bigger threat to PERA than a few hundred retirees. Get your facts straight.

Anonymous said...

As far as the "Young Officers" wanting to be rangemaster or a Detective, tell them to wait their turn just like the "Veterans" who occupy the jobs now did. Grow up! This isn't starbucks, you can't be the brew meister after 2 weeks on the job.

Anonymous said...

Learn to read grandpa, my facts are straight. Albuquerque lobby's the legislature every year to stop paying PERA contributions for retired rehires. PERA's report is clear, so long as 100% of the contribution is paid in, the fund is fine. If you go to PERA's website and read the full report that PERA did they also went on to state the there is no doubt the rehire program harms younger workers. They are harmed in lost promotions and job opportunities. Read the whole thing gramps, you might not like what you see but it is the truth.

The bigger truth is the rehire law is a fraud. It was supposed to assist law enforcement and waste water, yet 95% of all retired rehires statewide are government workers with not relation to law enforcement or waste water. Just look at Albuquerque city hall, how many high ranking members of Marty's administration are retired and then rehired back? All this does is stifle growth for younger workers.

The so called veteran officers never had to wait their turn. In the past there was no rehire program so regular officers were put in that position. Wait your turn? You have got to be kidding me, more like smooze the chief.

You guys need to start being honest with yourself. The truth hurts. I just hope that this legislative session we can get the governor to sign off on the repeal of this poorly written law. I know I will be calling my representatives.

Anonymous said...

the 20 year retirement is the only thing APD has going for it now, at the rate of pay the city has, the only thing that attracts new hires is the 20 year retirement. Do away with that and we will be in worse shape than we've ever been. In terms of hiring anyway, morale is a whole 'nother story.

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shut up with your oatmeal cookies, go somewhere else and post!

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Anonymous said...

There is only one way to solve this staffing crisis.......convert our PERA plan back to a 25 year 80%program. The Legislature needs to look into this issue soon

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