The Piercing Truth

This is right from the dictionary and seems to describe Albuquerque, Berry and Schultz. Fascism (f ash ,izem) noun An authoritarian right wing system of government and/or social organization. (in general use) extreme right wing, authoritarian, chauvinistic and/or intolerant views or practices. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one group over another, national, ethnic, especially social strata or monetarily; a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach. Compliments of one of our Eyes

Mar 14, 2008

One Every Minute

"Big Incentive" trumpets the Albuquerque Journal in today's above the fold article on police pay. It seems that the City of Albuquerque and the APOA board have come to an agreement on what and how APD's rank and file should be paid (ABQ Journal - Subscription). The contract was presented to the membership last night and is being voted on today.

As you know, the 5th floor has been absolutely incapable of finding enough recruits to field 1,100 officers. 1,100 is Marty's magic number yet despite years of promises and claims, even APD is admitting that they're steadily losing officers not gaining them by admitting that as of yesterday, they had just 969 officers. We'd wager that even that number includes everyone with a badge and a pulse and a few that have neither... but we digress.

According to our Eyes (and the Journal for that matter) the contract appears to be heavily front-end loaded - designed to specifically attract new recruits. The big jump in pay is targeted a new officers who will receive almost a 22% pay increase. More experienced and higher ranking officers receive a substantially smaller "raise."

You see the contract - which no one seems to have an actual copy of - gets rid of longevity pay. As a consequence, even though sergeants and lieutenants may be getting an hourly raise of 12.5% and 11.6% respectively, with the loss of longevity pay senior sergeants would receive almost nothing and some lieutenants actually lose money.
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We find it ironic that the new APD contract gets rid of the very thing that AFD has just fought for and received - longevity pay. Not everyone will achieve rank, nor should they and some simply don't want to climb up the ladder. The question is should they be rewarded for their long service despite choosing to remain a Patrolman First Class or should they be penalized for choosing to continue to work in the demanding field of everyday police work?
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Like a lot of things associated with the Chavez administration, this contract appears to offer more enticement than benefit. The Almighty Alcalde was quoted in the Journal saying "[t]his is the type of raise you give when you are rolling in the dough, not when you are hurting for money." According to our Eyes behind the badge, there's as much show as there is substance to this contract that creates an enticement for new officers while simultaneously encouraging more experienced officers to leave.
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Perhaps getting rid of more experienced officers is part of the idea here. New recruits are less likely to give the 5th floor a hard time where long-time APD officers can still remember what things were like before the current regime.
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One other little problem we see here and we alluded to it earlier... no one seems to have a copy of the contract. Our Eyes tell us that there was a motion at the APOA meeting last night to delay today's vote so that the rank and file would have time to get a copy of the contract that they are being asked to accept. They were told by union President Ron Olivas after consultation with the union attorney that last night's meeting didn't constitute a regular union meeting and therefore no motions could be accepted from the floor.

What's strange here is that wouldn't the union be better representing its members by making sure that the contract was available and fully understood by the membership? We'd think that a more measured approach would benefit the union leadership and the members unless of course, there's something more going on here.

Rumors are already circulating that there's a deal in place to reward union President Ron Olivas with a city job - much like former APOA President Lawrence Torres. Justified or not, these types of rumors always get started when the membership feels like a contract is being rammed down their throats.

In the end, members of the APOA are voting on a contract that substantially changes the way that they are paid and how much without having the opportunity to personally review the contract themselves. P.T. Barnum once said that "there was a sucker born every minute," and it may be that both the union and the city are hoping those suckers are wearing the uniform of the Albuquerque Police Department.

Ask any lawyer whether you should sign a contract without first reading and understanding its terms. Ask yourself if you would vote for a candidate without knowing their names. Entering into an employment contract without having your very own copy of the agreement before voting on its ratification seems to us like simple common sense. Otherwise you'll be proving P.T. Barnum's point.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

As a Sergeant on the department I would receive a 5% raise over two and a half years. That is 5% total. Not 5% a year. Considering that Cost of Living is 3% a year I should at least get 7.5% over that same time period. If this is the kind of raise that people give when they are "rolling in dough" then I would hate to see what would be offered otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Nothing short than a great assessment of yet another fiasco by this administration hell-bent on redefining what it means to be an amateur.

1. Get rid of longevity? In any given place of employment, as you remain employed you are given raises. That's the inducement to remain and with APD you get a longevity bonus on top of your base pay. Why remove it other than to fund a base wage increase?

2. Why rush the vote? If the contract can stand on its own, it should stand for review over the weekend unless it has flaws in it perhaps?

3. Why no formal presentation? Nice power points but no formal copies for review or MOU's to look at? Why no APOA response to counter the city's PR campaign in today's Journal?

4. Why no consideration for supervising rank?

5. Why three years? Generally unions want a short term agreement, why so long unless to saddle the next administration with a giant mess?

In general I think the concept of "Police Union" has died and gone elsewhere. Perhaps its time to formally disband this and start over.

Good luck APD, hello New Orleans.

Todd Parkins said...

However you feel about the proposed contract, it is without honor to spread anonymous rumors about our union president, or anyone else for that matter. I believe Ron Olivas has enough integrity not sell his honor for a few dollars more. I have known Ron for a long time, I trust him and respect him. I did not vote for the contract because I felt it was way to one sided. This being said, please support Ron, support the department, support what the membership decides to do, and support eachother. This can be accomplished without attacking individuals anonymously. It saddens me that other officers are so quick to throw their brother / sister officers under the proverbial bus without thinking of the ramifications of their actions.

Anonymous said...

1st off, the rank & file have an Exe. Board and a negotiating team fully authorized to read and handle the contract. They have never before presented copies of a pending contract to each member to read before signing. If you have no faith in your board or team, get another team. Secondly, only this rag (The Eye) would find something to complain about in getting pay raises, especially in this economy. As a tax payer in this community I believe you should be happy with any raises this year given the fact that most other people will be happy to just keep their job!

Anonymous said...

Yea! for Lt. Paul Reese. the only person who had the courage to go to the meeting dressed as a used car salesman. A true picture of whats happening. I don't know if anyone remembers the presentation of the last contract. A rookie officer got up and asked if he voted for the contract, who was to say that longevity would still be around in two years. The Association (because its not a union) panel at the time swore to that officer that they would never let go of longevity. Time flash! Poof! its gone two years later, Suckers!

Anonymous said...

Obviouslly those who were the loudest made the biggest statement. The sqeekiest wheel gets the oil right. It seems ironic, but I dont seem to think we are having a problem finding Sgts or Lts. I hope this contract passes because we will never see 19 million on the table again. If it does not, maybe Lt Parkins, Lt. Brown, Lt. Roseman, and Sgt Garcia can be the new negotioating team since they were crying the loudest. Everyone be safe.

PS; regarding Ron having a city job like LT. You have got to be kidding me. That is absolutly ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Once again most of the raise for APD is being paid for by veteran APD officers. They are just taking their longevity and converting it into cash and giving it to all officers. Then on top of that the city is giving, on average, a couple percent pay raise each year for 3 years. Once again things at APD have to get fixed ( the messed up pay rates for officers $19 for some $21 for others), but once again the city and APOA just can't figure out how to do it without screwing other officers. The older officers are getting pretty much nothing and having to give up their longeivity so the younger officers can be brought up to one pay scale. The media in Albuuquerque doesn't even try to figure out the contract they just lead with whatever Marty tells them. The media in this town are worthless, they take everything at face value when it comes to Chavez and don't look into anything.

That said the APOA might as well take what is offered. They are such a dysfunctional group they could not stand up to this mayor anyway. I foresee the staffing crisis continuing as more senior officers get fed up and leave. Oh and if I were Ray Boy and Marty I would not stake anything on retired guys coming back. The pay might look good, but what is your physical and mental health worth? Also, the legislature might just take this program away in 2009 just like they did the red light cameras. Then what will Ray and Marty do?

Final thought, Ray and Marty and Gil created the current mess. Someone should report that. They own the poor morale, the low staffing numbers, the embarrassment of red light cameras, etc. How about someone in the media doing a story that points the finger of blame for APD's current woes right where they belong, with Gil Gallegos, Ray Schultz and Marty Chavez, AKA Manny, Moe and Jack.

Anonymous said...

This is par for the course.. Marty is pulling shit out of his ass in the 11th hour just like he did 4 years earlier at the end of his term.
Giving what seems to be a big pay raise, and just like clockwork the junior officers fall and vote for it hook line and sinker.. The senior officers are not getting anything out of it compaired to the rookie and officers under 15 years.

I do have to say that Marty or anyother Mayor has never opted to pay or put up a down payment for an officers house. Why not do the math and put it toward the hourly wage along with the collage and retention bonuses and make APD the highest paid department in the state like they should be insted of the 3rd highest, if you do have one of the best academies in the country like they claim-do it !

Of course Marty is lying when he says that public safety comes first. You cops and the public are not even a close 10th on the list.

APD, all I can say is hang in there. Marty is going down in flames.. This is nothing more than a 2 minutes left in the political game and he's trying to show Albuquerque that public safety has always been his number one.. Bullsh*t, he's worried more about 1100 then what he is about public safety..

Citizens of Albuquerque and Officers of APD, Be strong the end is near for this little Troll/Napoleon/Nazi/Wife beating/Drunk driving/Daughter molisting/Womenizing/The rules and laws don't apply to me/No morales,scruples/Former private lawer/Citizen of Albuquerque financial screwing crooks time is just about over ! ! ! ! !

I don't know if Lawerence Torres understandes the significance of the inebible, you are going to reap what sow ! ! ! ! !

Anonymous said...

Mayor Marty is no fool, he buys the Union Presidents and then gets them to con the membership into accepting the contract. Just like Torres did. APD have not seen a raise in so long, they will take anything. Divide and conquer.

Ron Olivas' will now get to keep his job. Olivas was injured in an off duty accident and can no longer work the field. The 5th floor threatened his job if he didn't do what he was told, as injured people are fired now, even if the injury was on duty! Olivas would have already been fired. However, this will save his job If he can get them membership to swallow it. Talk about really killing the morale of seasoned officers.

Anonymous said...

First, Remember the 10k per year raise the Deputy Chief's and Chief just received. Big gains here! No Loss!

Second, the Capt's received a big dollar raise, but when you factored in what they lost, it amounted to about $1-2 dollars, depending on the longevity and college incentive they lost.

Third, new officers, laterals and rehires with a few years on the dept will get a huge jump.

Fourth, all seasoned veteran officers are getting screwed again to the point that many will loose money by the time this contract is over. So much for loyality

Interesting how APOA President Ron Olivas/Torres did not have any copies of the contract for the officers to read! Olivas sold the senior officers down the river.

Remember Ron, before you take that job with the mayor, you still need to work with us, and we won't forget you just like we remember Lawerence Torres! The sad part Ron, is we did not think you would sell us out. At least Torres was never a real APD officer.

Once again, the top brass came out very well in terms of raises and screwed their officers that have been loyal.

How can the 5th floor look themselves in the mirror everyday. We know Chief Schultz can, as he only cares about how much money he makes before he leaves town!

DC Bowdich, we thought you had some intergrity left. You should be ashamed of what you have let happen to APD. I hope you don't ever forget what you have been part of. Shame on you! You know what type of recruits that you are letting into this dept and what major problems that will cause down the road! Too bad money and a job has got the best of you! Retire in shame. I'll bet you leave here soon before all the wheels come off APD. Just remember you were part of the problem that has taken APD to the worst level of morale in APD's entire history! That should really make you proud.

Anonymous said...

Well Ron looks like you sold out to marty. Enjoy your new job. You have split the union [ police ]right down the middle. Everyone now are in their seperate camps. Everyone hates each other old against young. The lawsuits will abound against the city and the union. Ever heard of age discrimination ron ? 300 plus officers leaving the union, GOOD JOB ron. You have made your daddy marty and uncle ray very happy. Here is the sad part , new officers dont have a clue about the streets and senior officers that have not had a raise since the year 2000 just took their last slap in the face.from marty with your help. Senior officers are all saying thay are going to get exactly what the pay for. Crime will get even further out of control and the poor citizens will continue to be victims of criminals that laugh at a devided police department and marty who would be king and his court juster ray. ron sleep well you should be proud of yourself.

Anonymous said...

"Rolling in the dough"???? Who's fault is it that the city is "hurting for money"? Maybe the waste on all the pet projects, Marty?

All the city did was shuffle money from longevity into the hourly wage. After all is said & done it probably didn't cost them anything.

With this raise(?)they'll still be playing catchup. Now they're going to have trouble with retention. Senority should count for something!! It does for all of admin, check out their current raises.

And yes there is a "sucker born every minute"! Probably second in this town. Marty doesn't care as long as he reaches his 1100 before the mass exodus.

Anonymous said...

One constant in all this, LAWRENCE TORRES.

Anonymous said...

The officers and supervisors who got screwed on this contract should look into going to district court and filing an injunction. Let a judge look at how this was done, no contracts to review, only 24 hours to vote, if you were out of town you were SOL, the unfairness of taking from one group to give to another.

The sergeants, lts and senior officers need to file an injunction and stop this from proceeding.

Anonymous said...

"hurting for money"

Crossing the street to my neighbors house, I walked over one of the tricentenial sewer covers today and I pondered...

Just how much did those stupid things cost, and the manpower?? The one in front of my house took at least a day to put down, with 4 guys working on it. I also wondered how many people really see them??

Now that was a complete albatross! Just proves that Marty cares about shit, but not APD.

Anonymous said...

Heard of a work slow down!

Anonymous said...

You guys really need to get over it. The contract was passed and it was the right thing to do. If you have enough stones, run for the Prez or vice Prez spot in two months. That way next contract (three years) YOU can negotiate a sweet peace of the pie. And get off slamming Ron and Ben and the board for doing a tough job. Both Ron and Ben have integrity and would not sell out anyone. Even you stinkin loudmouths.

X34 said...

Some things never change as far as contract ratification goes but, the APOA has brought the memberships compensation a long ways in the last ten years. You now enjoy having 80% of your medical paid vs 60%. The PERA contribution is now 25% of what it was before and the unfunded step system is gone. The new contract is a huge boost to the younger officers and the older ones will benefit it ways not mentioned. Anytime you can switch longevity into your base pay it is a good thing because now it will boost your OT, sick time cash out, and the next raise will be compounded on top of it.

No, I don't work for the City and I'm not a fan of the Mayor. Quit your bitching and get back to the reason you became a police officer and that is to serve and protect our community. The personal attacks I read here are from the same unhappy people, who do nothing to contribute to the APOA and only show up every few years to bitch. I have known Ron Olivas for years and he is a man of honor, but you do need to create a union paid position for your President that way he or she is only owing to you and cannot be retaliated against by the city.

Anonymous said...

Wow, it’s amazing how this contract has managed to turn our entire police force against each other. I guess that means Marty wins... Of course the other option is to take the pay raise (which can't be taken away like Longevity in the next contract) and be happy for it. The next contract will be negotiated with a Marty free administration. PERA has been reduced, the pay rate is skyrocketing, and officers are no longer on separate pay scales. Albuquerque Police Officers are getting a fresh start. Does it suck for some more than others? Yes it does (even though they are not losing money, they are just not getting as much of a raise). However, throwing a temper tantrum is not going to change a thing. It is just going to divide the Officers on this Department and empower Marty. Oh, and for the really senior guys, lets not forget about your 18K retention bonuses. As for the Sergeants, you just got a raise a few months ago… No one has it that bad. Lets start acting like adults before we end up on Jerry Springer.

Anonymous said...

Everyone is slamming Ron. Ron is not Lawrence Torres! Ron has integrity. I don't blame Ron for any of this. Ron has done his best.

Why doesn't anyone question Ray Schultz motive for screwing the sergeants, Lt's and veteran officers? Ray sits on the team for the city. I think the blame for this contract and how it is further dividing APD sits in his lap. The APOA never really has a fair chance at the table. The chief and mayor know what they want from the begining.

APD now has three different groups of officers younger officers, supervisors and veteran officers and retired rehires. None of them are working as a team and the city doesn't want them to.

The supervsisors and veteran officers need to let the administration know how they feel about being screwed over. We need to file an injunction. None of us should even consider retiring and rehiring with this place.

Anonymous said...

ha ha ron and ben have no INTEGRITY!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Right a tough job....

CITY: This is what you'll get if you get this thing passed.

APOA: Yes Sir.

CITY: If you fail in not getting it passed it's all on you and YOU will pay.

APOA: Yes Sir, thank you sir.

Anonymous said...

whether you are a disgruntled fireman,retired brass,or current loser brass, please provide me with som details about the job RO is getting at the mayors office. I would like to know the amount of pay and when it takes effect. ask because I have known him for a long time. I confronted him personally on thursday about my concerns with this contract. I would be willing to bet everything that you are a liar and you are spreading the lie. Im a little pissed about getting 12%, oh well, there is no way ever he tarnish his badge like lawrence. Also, I visted him in the hospital after he broke his back at the academy where he instructed those seven years. can you please give us more details about how he should have been fired? You are pathetic, and you are really why this place suffers so much. Todd you are a class act. We made our stand and voted no, either way Ill cash out at 32 an hour. Good luck AFD, lawrence walked you right into his trap, all while giving the fire union president 100000 dollars a year, which probably came out of your money. Now, you worm, go find out that fact and expose it because its true, not some attempt to slander some good tough men who at least had the nerve to try.

Anonymous said...

I have been on this department for several years and am one of the officers getting a smaller percentage of the raise. Do i think it sucks? Absolutely! Is it however the right thing to do? Absolutely! The only way this union is going to get stronger is to be able to represent everyone equally. This contract made that possible. Unfortunately we cant get everything we want at one time. This new contract erradicates problems of the past and enables us to work towards a unified future. Let us not take notice that Ron and Ben are also 2 of the officers that are getting "screwed" according to most of you. Ron only has a couple of years to go and Ben, and his respective class, are giving up more longevity than anyone else. RON/BEN GOOD WORK!!! Maybe some of you that are unhappy should participate more than once every couple of years and have your voice heard prior to having to cry like little kids.

Anonymous said...

This is an example of several things gone awry:

1. We have an association that has ZERO power against city hall. No binding arbitration = no power. This has to change at the state level. Won't happen.

2. I can bet you the bargaining committee didnt think the veterans would be so united against this. I am hearing it passed by about 55 votes.

3. Th 5th and 11th floors dont see the big picture. The goal of 1100 will definitely not come to fruition now. Senior officers with 2 years or less will now retire. Who wants to stay for a measley 2-3% for the first 18 months of this contract? Thats right! Next "raise", after July 2008, in January 2010!! The numbers will drop significantly at the end of the year. I would guess at an all-time record pace. You may be asking, "Who cares if we ever reach 1100?". Well, I personally dont, but I know hundreds of officers do; especially when it comes to 82 or days off.

4. The APOA needs an enema. The way the vote came down should be challenged. There were other things that changed in the contract besides pay issues. Anyone know what those are? Thought so. The vote should have come after ALL changes to the previous contract were thoroughly explained. Didnt happen. This could easily be challenged in court. I personally believe it will be.

5. Genius on the part of the the 5th and 11th floor to get the Albuquerque Urinal to publish a front page story bragging about the best contract EVER in the history of the APD! I know its BS, but WOW! Brilliant! If that contract would have been voted down, the citizens would have all thought, "What a bunch of greedy bastards!" Very nice pre-planning I'd say!

6. This contract will further divide the union. Why were fair-share members allowed to vote? I'd guess if they hadn't voted, this thing would have failed. Someone will figure that out "officially".

I feel bad for the APOA and the APD as a whole. Both orginazations used to be able to hold their heads high........not anymore.

Anonymous said...

You are right on about Joe Bowdich..no ethics, no morals and no work = Joe Bowdick. He did zero zip for BCSO and sold out 2 10 year old innocent children to help the feds protect a career rapist/pedophile. You think he cares about police officers?? Think again..he'd sell you out too if he thought he could play with the feds again or anything that could help his career (whatever that is). Ask his good time buddy Bob Gorence....they were all on the same TEAM protecting the pedophile....

Anonymous said...

The uUnion did not represent everyone at the table equally. Not to mention that not a single copy of the contract was printed, wonder why? because they don't want you to know what is in it!

We can sue the Union for not eually representing us all at the table. The senior officers were not represented at all. Further, if fair share officers were allowed to vote, we can challenge the vote and win!


RO is has fallen for Marty and his job. the union should never have pushed this contract so fast, but they did it for a reason. Read the fine print when they do print it!


Senior officers, fight this and lets all sue for fair and equal representation! It's our right.

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with Ron or the APOA team, they did their best.

My problem is with how the APOA runs things. We need to see the entire proposed contract before we vote. The way the current contract was voted on was like going to a home closing and the title company telling you to sign blank pieces of paper because they are not allowed to show you your mortgage contract until you agree to it. That does not make sense and neither does the way we voted on this last APOA contract. It is also not fair that officers on vacation, days off etc were not allowed time to vote. There were some officers out of state on city business who probably would have voted NO but they were not allowed to vote because they were not here.

We need to now work on the APOA by laws and change the way we vote on contracts.

Anonymous said...

I am a private citizen and was referred to to this blog. I have been with a company who provides chips for the larger Intel corp for the last ten years. I am thinking of leaving to take a police job. Some of you seem so disgruntled about your jobs. Leave so I can have a better chance at getting yours. I pay 50% of my insurance, and get 401k retitement, making 42k a year.I read your benefits on APDonline. You guys have it good. What a bunch of whiners.

See you on the streets in a few years.

Anonymous said...

As a citizen, the new contract sounds wonderful for the new recruits, and anyone under 10 years of service and over 16 years of service. Everyone inbetween, BSCO sounds like they have a nice pay for you all. Maybe you all should leave and see how much you leaving hurts the department. That would leave a nice big gap of experience and maybe the stupid idiot mayor will yet again realize what a mistake he made and back track and get you all a nice raise like you deserve! You all are not paid enough for what you do as it is, and to have someone value what you all are worth is just not right. I don't put my life on the line everyday like you all do, and you do it because you love your job, not for the money, which makes you all very special men and women. You need to be taken care of and not cheated. Thank you for what you all do. Great raise and deserved for most, lets not forget the men and women stuck in the middle. There has to be something that can be done, and if there's not, again, BSCO seems to care about you all, I am sure they would welcome you with open arms.

Anonymous said...

Private citizen, your an idiot. First of all, if you honestly believe in your mind that's what is being complained about, you wouldn't pass the physiological exam, so go ahead and try so you can be shot down and told, sorry, go back to your other job because you aren't accepted into the department since you feel benefits and 401k are the most important part of your job. Secondly, if you think people putting their lives on the line day in and day out is worth a minimal 39k a year, you are MORE of an idiot than you make yourself sound. Good luck trying to get into the department.

Mr. Wolf said...

Since it seems everybody is pissed, it must be a good contract. Sorry, you all got played hard and the real story is probably that you don't know how hard Ron and others at the APOA worked to protect you.

A few light hearted observations though:

Hmm massive promotional process to staff enough sergeants for the next two years...coincidence?

Front load the contract so that it benefits younger/newer officers in order to attract MORE officers....well planned.

Hold on, the 5 8’s are coming…can it get any worse?

What is the pay demographic for board members of the APOA…$19 or $21? Just curious.

How about a pay bonus system based on performance? $25 per felony arrest, $10, per misdemeanor arrest, and $2 per ticket. You’d see crime in Albuquerque disappear before week’s end!!!

And lastly I heard the Albuquerque Police Department is being reorganized into the Albuquerque Bureau of Investigation because there are no more cops on the street doing police work!!! (ok that's a joke...kind of!)

By the way, If you don't like Ron, get your name on the ballot. Otherwise simmer down and do your job.


You know you work for APD when....

Anonymous said...

You'll really enjoy the "streets"!

From a little closed-in sterile safe box to the streets of Juarez, New Mexico.

Hold on to your britches, boy, and get ready for an eye-opener.

Anonymous said...

For you all that are getting ready to retire within the next three years, Dont forget the retention pay. I am going into my 18th years this summer. I am applying for the 5k this year and 10k next year. That way I can get a real raise. Something like 10 percent this year and 15 % next year

Anonymous said...

I became a police to work and enjoy my career..I didn't become an officer so I could get on welfare!

Anonymous said...

for an administration that fires officers for lying. we have been lied to non stop. we were promised rehires would go to the field. no special positions just for them. we were promised our longevity would never go away. we were promised that the 1/4 cent tax would go for officers. lies lies lies

Anonymous said...

I'll bet you're too fat too get on or you would have been here. Well, lets see if you can pass the physical you fat pencil pusher. Your so full of shit, you won't try!

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Anonymous said...

What a bunch of whiners apd is! I wish i had half the benefits apd has. especially that free police car to take off duty grocery shopping and movie watching. Id save hundreds on gas a year alone with that free car. where do i sign up?

Anonymous said...

So does this mean that APD will go to 8 hour shifts?

Anonymous said...

5-8 at the last minute the admin will tell the officers they saved the 4-10's This in hpes of buying back some loyality.


Be ready guys/gals, they won't take your 4-10's No administration is that stupid! Not when morale is as bad as it is. They are using this as aploy to fool you!

Anonymous said...

Free Police Car? Whenever we are in our "free police cars," we stop at all accidents, all citizens that flag us down and any other crime that happens.I really don't know a whole lot of officers that cruise thier cars around outside of work. Not to mention the fact that we are targets whenever we are in them.
Finally if something happens anywhere in my neighborhood I get a knock on the door, because of that free car.

Anonymous said...

To the chip dude (guy or chick) selling chips to Intel etc.

Just wondering what type of life threatening risks you take every day when you go to work, selling chips? Probably just driving there. Do you wear a bullet proof vest?? I doubt it. Do you know the real world of police work, or are you just looking at the skewed stats posted by Administration?

Every call APD & AFD respond to together are most likely to be a dangerous incident. AFD waits while APD clears the scene for AFD to come in. More Public Safety personnel are killed in the "line of duty" responding too and returing to "so called" emergency calls. It's called 911 Abuse.

Medicade clients calling expect AFD to be their doctors! Abuse, Abuse, Abuse! As far as AFD goes, calls exceed 80,000 a year. All you armchair Monday morning quaterbacks have your obscure opinion. Before you join the force come ride-a-long and see for yourself. You'll probably prefer to keep selling chips. There's more to becoming a cop than for retirement and pay. Which, by the way doesn't hold up to most city's our size, with less crime.

Stay in your glass house. I bet as soon as you or a person close to you is victimize, you'll be calling the Mayor's office to complain about how firefighters do nothing all day but watch TV and cook and cops hang out at the donut shop.

Anonymous said...

The most disturbing thing I see with the take home cars is officers who put their kids in the back where the criminals ride. I see them everyday at the school where my kids go. Don't these officers have any sense? Why put your kids where AIDS patients ride, Hepititas patients ride, where there could be a syringe etc.

USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE!

Anonymous said...

hahahahhha. This site is great. I am going to tell everyone that Jerry Springer is now on this blog. hahahahhhahahaaaaa. You guys/gals are killin me

Anonymous said...

WOW, above poster, you are ignorant! Just because someone is a police officer and has a car and has their kids in the back means that there are AIDS patients and Hepititas patients and syringes in their back seats? So you think the only people who ride in the back of a police car are people with dieseses? There aren't vitims both adult and children that ride in police cars? Get educated before you slam police officers who take their kids to school in their cars. You should be supporting your officers, not slamming them for being good parents dropping and picking their kids up from school.

Anonymous said...

All of our city unions are screwed! C and M level as well . I think Marty is trying to get rid of union representation all around, not just APD. He sucks, and this police contract is no good! Divisive, dividing the officers into camps old vs. young. Divide and conquor is the mayor's strategy I think.

Anonymous said...

whenever i listen to my scanner those off duty officers who are in their free cars get on the radio and tell their dispatcher they couln't stop in time and continues on their happy little way. they never stop to help, they just call someone else to handle it. I have personally been witness to officers of duty in their free cars with kids and spouses packed inside. tax dollars at work! dont BS the public bout stopping people and getting stopped. buy a car like everyone else, or stop complaining about your sweet contract!

Anonymous said...

This is simple....Everyone got a raise....some people more than others. The problem is that some seasoned officers are upset because other people got a bigger raise. What the complainers seem to keep forgetting is that at year 18 you get $5000, 19 is $10k, 20 is $12.5k ....and 21 plus is $15k...all tax free into your deferred comp. Geeeee....do the simple math....$5k-$15k per year..isn't that a $2.50 to $7.50 per hour raise???? on top of the raise you already got. If you are at 15 years or more right now...please stop complaining...and start collecting your free money on top of the raise that your co-workers just voted in (within the term of the contract you will recieve your Officer Retention $$$$).

If you think that filing an injuction is a brilliant idea...remember...you are doing nothing but hurting other officers. This department is not in need of recruiting Sgts, Lt's, or veteran officers....that would be the reason that the city made concessions... to the tune of several million $$ over the last contract, with the intent of a contract to enhance the recruiting package.
So everyone can keep complaining about how money someone else got...or you can take your raise and shut your pie hole!

Anonymous said...

The majority of officers are happy with the new contract plain and simple. It was put to a vote and the majority WON! Sounds fair to me. So whats all the bitching about? Guess you'd rather stay at your current rate forever and retire a miserable person with no more benefits. Poor you. WAAAAA go back and take some calls and complain about hard you work. Go get in your free car and take your family shopping with your new windfall of cash.

Anonymous said...

Well, Governor Richardson slammed Chief Schultz on the news the other night. "He stated that the Chief was incharge of the APD Evidence Unit when it went to shit and since he came back no one was charged or ever will be going to jail for the theft of money and drugs. Now, who is the corrupt one Schultz".

I think the Gov pretty much hit the nail right on the head. The chief sure picked the wrong guy to fight with. Good luck in the future chief....

Anonymous said...

If you think the current way we vote on invisable contracts is fair then don't file an injunction.

What is not fair is that we have no hard copy to review, we are forced to vote almost immediatly, if you are out of town, on days off or for whatever reason don't get the word you don't vote.

Put aside the money issue, this is about doing what is right and not all members had a voice because of the current rules. If the city and APOA won't change that then we must go to court to change it for the future.

Don't you want all APOA members to have a fair voice?

Anonymous said...

Take it to court! Stop these corrupt people once and for all!

Anonymous said...

They went to 8's! Everyone is Screwed!

Anonymous said...

....see they are that stupid.

Anonymous said...

eights are great,,,cant wait

Anonymous said...

They went to 8s because of this blog and the bs on it. Wait til you see what they do with the cars next.

Anonymous said...

Watch out Ray, the Gov's got your number.

Anonymous said...

at least you get take home vehicles. aviation officers under the SAME contract have to drive thier own personal vehicles to and from work, to and from court, training and anything else. so the "raise" will cover gas money. RO has been advised of our issues and then goes and has lunch with "Chief Katz"and Freddie Mauer at Capo's and the issue is squashed. Its understood that aviation is only 40 strong and the needs of many outweigh the needs of few but RO is an equal opportunity boner and APD isnt the only one being bent over the barrel...

Anonymous said...

FIVE EIGHTS, HOW WILL THE 5TH FLOOR SCREW US NEXT! SCHULTZ GETS OFF ON REALLY PISSING US OFF. WAIT UNTIL HE LEAVES.

Anonymous said...

5 8s is not meant to piss you off. I don't think Schultz has done a good job as chief, but in this case you got to remember what you signed on for. The protection of this community and like it or not APD is in a crisis with manpower and going to 5 8s does work better.

When it comes to this we are here to protect and serve the community. Until the manpower crisis gets resolved ( which it won't so long as Marty and Ray are in charge) this is what we have to deal with.

Anonymous said...

5 8's is not better for the simple reason that one of your days off will be taken up in court, or if you are lucky enough to get your court dates set up so that they are while you are on duty, then you are off the street while you go to court.
The only thing that will help this department is to hire hire hire. And try not to let it be a bunch of idiots.
I don't understand why there were not full contracts to review, but if there weren't, then why the hell did you vote it in? Olivis brought it, but didn't make you vote for it so you can't blame him, you've got only yourselves to blame.

Anonymous said...

no shit! stop whining waaa waaa waaa do your job and take some calls. you get paid whether its an eight hour shift or a ten hour shift. either way the city doesnt get their monies worth out of about 80 percent of the officers here;.

Anonymous said...

DC Castro, just because you (gold digger) married a wife with lots of cash and could buy your promotion, the rest of us can't.

Anonymous said...

dont be jealous above poster,,,just cause u could barely pass the police officer entrance exam doesnt mean u cant try the sergeant test and advance your career too.

Anonymous said...

To poster listening to their scanner. Where the hell did you get that?

The public can't get APD's scan unless you've done something illegal or you're just full of BS.

To: "don't be jealous" Why do you think everyone wants to promote? Career officers are needed. Every organization needs the worker bees. And by your grammer I doubt you're even with APD. Talk about not being able to pass a test.

Anonymous said...

So niave you poor young officer,,,how do u think the media shows up so fast to your priority calls? duh scanners! I know you wanna feel special and better than everyone else but anyone with a few bucks and know how can buy a scanner capable of listening to the everyday goings on of the police department, fire department, sheriffs dept or any other department for that matter.

You must be the one that says they stop off duty for all the accidents, but in reality you just keep on driving and hope they didnt see you in your big ol free Police car. Your full of shit. Be happy you still have a job and do it the way your supposed to and stop complaining about how rough you have it.