In tonight's full house, the issue of the contract was sure to come up and indeed it did. Following an impassioned speech by 20 year Sergeant Paul Heh, the streetwise sergeant made a motion to invalidate the recently approved contract based on the numerous irregularities surrounding the contract and its approval process.
More specifically, Sergeant Heh moved to declare the approved contract null and void. A new approval process would then be instituted with the new contract to be distributed to the membership for review. The review period would last a week to ten days and then the membership would vote on whether or not to accept the current contract.
We don't know about you, but we won't sign a FedEx tablet without reading it first, yet the officers were asked to vote on a three year contract without having a contract to review and voting began immediately after the contract was presented (read it here). In addition, non-union members and probationary officers were allowed to participate in the APOA vote - something that our Eyes tell us has never happened before and could easily explain the 59 vote approval margin. Particularly when you take into account the fact that no one had seen the contract.
Sergeant Heh's motion was seconded and eventually tabled for 30 days to allow for notification of the APOA membership.
(Sidebar)At present, the only thing that will stop this divisive contract the passage of the sergeant's motion and a subsequent "no" vote by the membership or a city council intervention. Since this is a multi-year deal, it requires the approval of the council; which we believe they would be wise to withhold if for no other reason than the current contract is dividing the department and putting the general public at risk because of that division.
We find it amazing that the APOA would present a contract that affects the financial futures of some 800 officers and ask them to vote on acceptance immediately when almost every other motion requires a 30 day membership notification.
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Prior to the Lawrence Torres's regime the vote for the contract was always delayed 7 days in advance with copies passed out to the membership by the board.
I spoke with a former APOA President who confirmed this fact. He said he had never heard of a contract being voted withing 48 hours and not providing copies of the contract for the membership to review. He went on to say that it was not a violation to pass copies of the contract to the membership after a TA (agreement?), it never has, and in fact is a violation not to properly inform the members of what they are voting.
He also said that he had never heard of non union probationary officers voting for the contract. On the face of it, the vote was manipulated in favor for the ones who have more to gain by it, you would think it was an election taking place in Venezuela or Cuba.
We just wished one of these idiots would have spoken with one of the former APOA Presidents that have some integrity to get direction, other than the self serving Torres, duh!
This whole process was a travesty, an injustice and a disgrace. Ron O should do the right thing, resign immediatey, he has lost the confidence of the membership!
its a great contract for us younger officers, get rid of the old 20 year vets who only bitch and complain. They dont take calls!
Thats hillarious, Paul Hey and Mark Garcia are just mad because the younger Officers who actually do the work will finaly be payed for it. They are trying to destroy the future of hundreds of good Officers and their families because of their lack of "personal gain" from the new contract. City Hall is not dividing our Officers...our senior leadership is.
APOA is in trouble. Just look at the posts. The police are fragmented and fighting with themselves. Who is to blame for this? Sure Ron and the APOA Board owns some of it. But what about Mower isn't he paid the BIG money to make sure things are done right? How about Ray Schultz, he sat at the contract table and worked on this for the city. Lawrence Torres has never had APD in his best interests. The officers need to stop just blaming each other and look at the entire picture. Schultz is supposed to be the leader, but all he has repeatedly done is fracture APD.
The contract was voted on, and it passed! The membership has spoken. Seniority does not give you the right to reject the democratic process. You didn’t get your way, tough. We will not let you Usurp this Union for your own personal gain. You’re not the only officers on this department. The union leaders based the contract priorities on a survey taken of it's membership last year. A base pay increase is what we asked for, and that’s what we got. If you want more money, work more overtime or get promoted. Stop stagnating and avoiding work while thinking about more reasons to bitch.
Doesn't the APOA have bylaws that would have prevented this mishap? Such as a certain amount of time for the membership to be informed, IE: 7-10 days and must be presented with the proposed contract?
I'm not a saavy union person so I'm not sure. If so, the contract vote could be overturned without all of this formality.
If they didn't get to review the contract and voted on it, and non union members were allowed to vote, then yeah, it needs to be reviewed. That's only right. If it's good, it will get voted in again. If it's so good, what does anyone have to lose by letting it be reviewed? What is being hid?
" The Almighty One would only benefit by getting rid of the department's more senior officers that know better in favor of less experienced officers who frankly... don't."
I usually agree with the eye, but on this matter I do not. Per this logic, junior officers are to dumb to know what is good for them. Hmmm, perhaps we should only allow the senior officers (who are not so ignorant of the ways of the world) to vote. Surely they would look out for everyone's interest and not just their own (I hope my sarcasm is evident).
The notion that a junior police officer is fully capable to going out on his own, making life and death decisions and arresting people, but can't cast a rational vote on a contract is just absurd. The idea that people can’t be trusted with their own vote is a socialist concept. I am disappointed that the eye would suggest such a thing.
Boo hoo! While you whine about your raise, other city employees will get squat! Get real and quit crying.
Don W.
Amen to the last comment. This democracy has been proven again and again in our nation. We do not live in Russia. The vote was passed. You crybabies are creating more problems, thus creating hate and discontent amongst the troops. 90% of APD are hard working ehtical Cops. Let the vote stand.
Wow! I can see the division and can't help but become more concerned.
Does anyone know if Ron Olivas is still doing the "dignitary protection" for Marty Chavez? It's only rumor at this point, but word is that he does continue to do "dignitary protection" on an overtime basis. Does anyone truly believe that Ben Baker is working for the APOA and putting APOA interests first, despite working directly for Ray Schults in Operations Review?
This is not the jilted senior officers versus the greedy younger officers? But that is exactly what the puppet masters want you to think. There is absolutely no fairness, honor, or integrity is this contract, nor the way it was presented/ratified. The 5th/11th floor interfered in the voting when they saw the vote going against them. The secrecy surrounding the details is nothing short of corrupt.
As far as the posts referring to the senior officers... I truly hope to see those who write such comments here long enough to retire. I doubt they will have the staying power. They will chase the next higher dollar and be gone. I guess that's not such a bad thing...
The contract that was voted on has been placed on the APOA website for all members to view or you can go to the APOA office and view a copy.
I voted for the contract. This is some guys that area not happy that they didn't get what they wanted for themselves and no one else. I was an officer at 19.00 and numerous officers made more than me even though I had more years on the job. There are nine million pay scales and that is the problem. This contract puts us on the same pay scale. None of these guys was crying when the 19.00 got hosed last contract. They said this contract is not fair? One guy at 19.00 with ten years on and another at 21.00 with ten years, can anyone see the problem? We voted, get over it.
We voted. You guys area hosing the whole department for your gain only. You don't give a crap about anyone else. Yeah the city is a problem, but so are the guys that are trying to block this passed vote. Younger guys should not have to pay for your past screw ups. This is a good contract. Not a great, but good. One guy with ten making 19.00 and another making 21.00 with the same years on the job is dumb. Fair, Fair, get over yourselves. I for one is happy about my pay hike. I got 12 years on the job and make 19.00.
Above post..Kudos! Couldn't agree more. How on earth can anyone think it's fair to give raises to the younger officers, while completely ignoring the senior officers? The senior officers are the foundation of this department,(minus a few arrogant a**holes who should be taken out behind headquarters for a long overdue flogging). How unbelievably arrogant for the younger officers to think they are more deserving of a raise than the senior 34's. You can bash Paul Heh all you want, but at least he had the BALLS to stand up there and lay it out. Senior 34's deserve just as much respect, if not more, than you rookies. And BTW---Paul Heh doesn't work? How many DWI's do you stop in a week? A month? How much time do YOU spend in court ensuring the people you arrest don't walk free? Do your research before you open your mouth and show your ignorance to the world.
Its funny how you Sgt's stood in briefings and told officers not to vote for the contract. You had those younger officers so afriad to do anything. The contract passed, so get over it. I got ten plus and voted for it. Now it doesn't help you (more than anybody else) and your crying. Stand up for your guys for a CHANGE. ONE PAY SCALE, not 18. I thank city councilors and the public for the pay hike. Hey people out there most officers thank you for this gesture.
Notice the APOA President is silent in the midst of all this. Just an observation.
Also, I see 34's with less than 2yrs on and when I ask them how things are going I get, quite frequently, some sarcastic comment like "Another day in paradise". I may have 14 years on but I'll tell you this much, I occasionally know that feeling but I generally have a good time. If you've been here 2 years and you have that attitude, do us a favor and leave now. Are there senior guys that are loafs? Damn right. Are there junior guys that are still wet and dumb, absolutely. The point is having a contract where 1/2 gains significantly and another 1/2 gains modestly is poor policy. And what you saw last night is fruit of that policy. Frankly, it's 5th Floor logic and I'm disappointed but hardly surprised.
It's about Us and Them but not amongst P 1/C's. It's P 1/C's vs. executives. Why some of you posters here don't see that is frustrating.
Please get your facts straight...everyone got a raise...some (the younger officers) recieved more than others (the older officers). The goal of the contract is obviously for recruiting. Say what you want, but recruiting is a problem for everyone...from the patrolmen who are swamped with calls and unable to take days off, to the detective units who cannot fill their open positions because the field is short staffed, to the citizens of the city who have to suffer because their calls don't get answered in a timely manner due to the manpower shortage and have to bear the brunt of the crime problem in the city. Everyone recieved a raise...and to the Sgt's and Lt's who are complaining about their pay raise...and to those who intimidated their younger officers into voting against a contract which would help them out...thank you for your leadership by example and seeing the future of the department. The vote happened and the results are final...the contract passed.
The APOA is in a mess. What a dysfunctional group.
No one has yet to answer the question as to why non-union members and probationary officers were allowed to vote. These officers are fair shares dues paying members, they are allowed to vote on any contract that affects them monetarily. However, they are not allowed to vote during elections. Fair share members are also represented by the Union during disciplinary hearings with the exception of probationary officers. And why does the Union refuse to pay for professional negotiators to go against the City's professional negotiators, but instead drop $40,000 on a political endorsement that bit the police in the buttocks, without a vote! And where is Ron Olivas? He certainly is not acting like a Union President should. We need a leader, not a puppet.
Again, if the contract is so good, let it stand on it's own merit, let all the membership read it in its entirety, and then let only the non probationaries, and union members vote on it. It gets voted in again, then it's done. Done and done. If not, you go back to the table. I don't think the problem was the money, but how it was done. And at least SOMEONE had the balls to stand up and say what they thought and to hell with the consequences.
oh is sure hope the younger officers are not intimidated that easy!!!!! If so i can only imagine what they are like on the streets!!!! I cant wait to see what these young guys are going to be like in 15 years!!!!
Ron O Please resign!!!!
I am reading a lot of inuendo about threats and intimidation, yet no one has gone to IA to file a complaint. I really wish the money grubbers (ie. younger employees only out for the money who lack integrity, honor, solidarity, or loyalty) would go back to the McDonald's they were recruited from. I was at the poles and did not hear anyone make threatening statements. Talk about whining...
I have been shot at (multiple times), been beat on, been injured and bled for this community and get the short end of the stick. You very new employees get the bulk of the contract dollars and say you deserve it...? Pay your dues...both to the association and the career first. YOU are the whiners. If you are afraid of the senior officers and supervisors that is only because of who you are and not where you are. Be adults and act like cops.
As for lead by example... we are! We are standing up for what is right despite the corruption stacked against us! You'd be well advised to listen and learn!
It is NOT the APOA's responsibility to recruit. That rests on the hands of the city. The APOA's job is secure better conditions for all....not just one group or another. Equity. Look it up.
Regarding post #2, You younger officers have no integrity, a bunch of cowboys and yes men(boys). You are the type of cops that the public has no trust in, nothing but thugs with badges. Very impressionable and easily indoctrinated, the type that shoot and ask questions later, even when a suspect is unarmed.
I agree to that we need to thank all public, Mayors Office, and City Council for the raise. Most of the officers are appreciative. I have 18 years on this great department and am proud to be a cop. The Chief has made alot of mistakes, as the moral continues to drop, but its his perogitive to change it. The 5 eights and 5 tens are in the contract people. Like it or not, It passed. The contract passed by a slim margin, let it go. We are divided and the 5th and 11th floor are rolling around in laughter. Get over it. PS: thanks Pat for speaking the truth at the APOA meeting last nite.
Actually you 20 or so people who have not found a life since retiring are mad that you left when you did and now the everyone can finally make some moves towards real progress. I dont know any of thise board members or the president...but your accusation of silence is way off base,much like your attempt to keep the department down. I saw those guys take a severe beating and act like professionals. the only ill will I saw was in the very people who claim to be supervisors on our department. Get a life, quit being haters because progress passed you by. Not only did I vote for this Ten years into my career, I joined the union because finally it had the guts to do what was right. You had your chance and blew it, do not try to ruin ours, all twenty of you. Our so called leaders wont get the chance to threaten or intimidate anyone this time. Nice try eye........
If one were looking for signs of dysfunction in a group; like the APOA, there are more than enough here to warrant real concern.
You guys need a facilitator to help you work together against your common "enemy".
United you stand; divided you fall -
and all that stuff.
To all of you anoaymous that are leaving comments criticizing me first let me say my name is Paul J. Heh. I am happy to address your issues. First those of you that want to call me lazy , I would ask Officers that have worked for me. In my squad laziness in any form is not tolerated and I lead by example. Officers bid for me for two reasons, respect in my work ethic and I believe for me. Second Officers know that I have their back and will never turn my back on them , no matter the situation. You accuse me of wanting to revoke the contract to benifit me. Let me explain to you that this contract has no effect on me. I have my top three years, I have 21 years of service with A.P.D. and will retire soon. This by all accounts will be my last bid. I heard one of you say at the last A.P.O.A. meeting that I have to get rid of my WORLD WAR II attitude. You stated its a new generation its about us and how much money we can make. HOW SAD. Have you ever heard these words, HONOR, INTEGRITY, ETHICS,AND COURAGE. I Honor the WORLD WAR II generation and what they did for the world. It was never about them. They lived their lives by these words . I am proud that my Dad and Mom drilled passed these words to me to live by. My friend it is not about you and how much money you can make. That Badge you wear on your chest was placed there by the Citizens of Albuquerque in trust that you will take care of them, Not for your personal gain. You have a responsibility to our city and to your second family the men and women, brothers and sisters of the Albuquerque Police Department. My motivation for reworking this contract is very simple. In my opinion the morale of the Albuquerque Police Department is at an all time low , it is a house devided against itself ! A house devided can not stand and will ony hurt the very people we are sworn to protect. This contract devides new Officers against experienced Officers. Officers that have shed their blood and yes tears on the streets of Albuquerque DURING THEIR 15 YEARS AND MORE of dedication to the Citizens of Albuquerque. Why would anyone even consider leaving these Officers out ? There is X amount of money. Devide it equally AND BRING THIS DEPARTMENT BACK TOGETHER. IF you really feel it is all about you my friend, PLEASE FIND ANOTHER JOB.
Paul J. Heh
The words Paul Heh and wise in the same sentence is an Oxymoron. That fat little toad would not lift one of his own stubby little fingers to assist his own mother unless there was something in it for him. You are judged by the company you keep, he still hangs with Joe and Alfred and we all know what they are about, themselves. Nope, not me, if they are behind this move then I'm against it. I'll take my raise as a veteran here and congradulate the younger officers and continue taking calls for service.....
Yes the contract passed, but there will now be a revote next month. If it is indeed a good contract then it will pass again. It is the manner in which this contract was voted on that most of us have heartburn with. There is a huge appearance of dirty politics in this. If this is a contract that the mayor and 5th floor pushed down the unions throat, then there should have been a citywide to inform the rest of us. I heard yesterday that the negotiations team was told this is your contract, if you dont accept it, the money will be reduced significantly. If that is the case, and we were forced into this contract then we need to file a lawsuit. If the city gave us X amount of money and the union decided to dispurse it in the manner that they did, then now everyone will be able to read the contract and make an informed decision. Like the fact noone gets much of a raise until 2010, what happened to a raise in in July 2009??? What about comp time being reduced to 150 hours and not being able to carry an excess over that in the pay period. There are a lot of things in this contract that were written by the city, do we not have a say or do we just bend over and take it again. I understand both the junior and senior officers opinions on this contract. The mayor and the chief said this is soley for recruitment and they dont care about the rest of the Dept. It has devided the department and we need to fix that. Like a previous poster said, this is cops against the administration, not eachother. There are no cops on the 5th floor. They have all forgotten where they came from with the exception of Kevin. We have until July before our contract expires and we dont need to be in a huge hurry to ratify a contract that affects all of us for the next three years. Please my brothers and sisters, take a step back and think about whats best for all of us and unite against "them". This is "their" contract, not ours, dont let them win this battle....And thats all I got to say about that.
As a 34 I'm amazed at the hostile divide between 34's. I can only imagine how the public will view us now. Morale is at an all time low and the rank-and-file are divided and fighting amongst themselves. I appreciated Sgt. Heh's speech the other night he has been in Law Enforcement for years and has seen numerous city leadership changes. Unfortunately, at the end of his speech it all came down to the fairness of the contract, I was hoping he was heading to a "No Confidence" vote against our current "Chief of Destruction". As long as the "COD" is at the APD helm following the Mayor's every whim we will continue to drift from one morale crusher to another. Leaders should lead their people/organizations towards success, to bad our COD is a follower of the mayor and not a leader to APD. To my fellow 34's, hang in there, we love this profession, we are a family, and we will survive the current regime.
So this is the plan:
Give up a huge raise, wait six months for a new contract and then sue the city so we can drag this out for a couple of more years. By the time we sort this out it will be time for a new contract. Some people on this department need to stop trying to force their will on others. We voted, it passed. If you want a law suit, go slip on a wet floor in Walmart...
Paul, you've got my vote for APOA president. If you've got the integrity to stand up like did before the membership then I know you will represent US before the executives.
I know that may be the last thing you would want to do, but if you're the president as a retired officer think how helpless they are!
The proposed contract that I heard of months ago was this: Take all officers at $19 and put them at $21.07. We all deserve the same base pay, just like what they did with the Sgt's. Then they combine the longevity scales so we all have one instead of Remingtons brainchild. I'm sorry if young officers dont think longevity is important, but I do and that is my opinion. Longevity was guaranteed unlike steps and with this city, it was a raise every couple years and it should stay. After all the base pays are equal again, give everyone (even Sgt's and Lt's)an across the board raise with the rest of the money. Yes the junior officers will get more of a raise than the rest of us, but that is only fair that they have the same base pay. With this package we would still be one of the best paid agencies in the state and maybe our morale would not be in the toilet. How about we join together and be productive instead of name calling and all the BS that has gone on in here. This contract was written for snot nosed high school students who arent even old enough to vote yet. Lawrence (our ex APOA pres. who now works for Marty) had his hand in it and it was pushed through in less than 24 hours.........think about that. Lawrence, Louie, the mayor and the 5th floor are all happy, which means something is rotten. We are the ones who protect this city despite them, lets not forget that.
Sgt. Heh,
Please tell me you weren't surprised by that officer's comments at the meeting. He has less than two years on, brags that his step-father is Councilman Ken Sanchez's step-son.
Of course he is giving the mayors spin on it. Why wouldn't he? The only time he gets to see step-daddy is when the Mayor farts and step-daddy's head pops out for five seconds.
That kid has lost all respect on this department, he will have a long 18 years that is for sure.
Hey kid, you never play the "it's about me" game in a public service career or else ehen you need some backup it will be only about you.
My advise, look elsewhere, Vegas is hiring. I am sure your step-daddy has political connections there. You know the same kind you used to get on this department.
"I heard yesterday that the negotiations team was told this is your contract, if you dont accept it, the money will be reduced significantly. If that is the case,"
If that was the case the APOA should've got up and said "Thank you for your time" and walked from the table.
If the motion passes for a revote on the contract then another motion will be made (and seconded) to rescind the earlier motion. It will then require 30 days of posting prior to a vote on the motion. This will continue until the end of time or until the newly voted contract is in place (which ever comes first).
While were at it why don't we request that a new election be held on every person currently serving in an elected position until we get the person we want elected.
Let's start making plans now to request a second election for the Presidency of the US just incase the person elected is not the one we want.
Who cares if a majority vote won the election, we can make unsubstantiated/unproven claims and state that not everyone benefits equally from the results. Many believe this is the American way and they hide behind self-righteousness and their upbringing. Damn anyone who can have it better than I did when I was in their position.
One last thing...we have more supervisors then leaders in the APD. That is why the current situation is what it is.
Ok, so it sounds like 5th & 11th are union-busting. Is this something Bregman will jump on board with; I know he hates the city admin. for his own agenda, of course, but whatever it takes to stop admin. The fists are gonna have to come out on this one....think TEAMSTERS..
You fat cats go right ahead & fight to return those raises. The rest of us that work for the city are opening contract talks and would love to take what you refuse. Then we are all going to sit back and watch the backlash from the public when they find out you are turning up your noses to 10-40% raises when most Americans would be pleased to keep their jobs in this economy.....You spoiled brats go right ahead..
The reality is that the City negotiated in good faith as well as the APOA. The contract is until 2010. It was ratified and signed by both the city and APOA. Its done. No motion can change that. Hopefully you all did your homework before we all look like fools. I was not at the meeting , but I sure hope Fred gave some good legal advice. Pride cometh before the fall. Drop the issue before its tooo late.
Not being at the meeting and hoping that Fred(the guy who didn't say anything about voting on the contract without actually seeing it and damn those that were out of town) says it all.
I sure hope you do your police work better than they APOA did their job of producing and voting on the contract.
No matter what happens with the current contract we (APOA members) must make sure the next contract we vote on is posted for 10 days before we vote.
This rule should have been put in place by our wonderful attorney (God knows he has been with APOA since Jesus was passing out fish), why didn't he ever advise us that we needed this change? What are we paying him for?
"The only time he gets to see step-daddy is when the Mayor farts and step-daddy's head pops out for five seconds" That is Funny!!! LMAO...well done!
Again, where is the police department? If the rest of the city goes into contract talks good for you. I don't care.
If the city wants to fuck around with a shell game contract, split the ranks, demoralize everybody, and continue to LIE about statistics and personnel numbers let them. The fact is there will be tragedy and some poor family will lose somebody because of the piss miserable planning Ray and Marty have done. This is a good move by the membership because the APOA is not representing its people well. You wanted engagement, you got it because you failed at representing us.
As far as the Teamsters go, do your research because if you talk with other departments like I have, they will tell you they are very good at getting money for wages but not good at working conditions/policy issues.
Sorry this is our fight and IMHO it may be time to hire additional resources to deal with this. Oh and Ray, thanks for selling everybody down the river with your comment about some officers still not going to CADS training. Every consider end-user analysis? Must of forgot about that while getting your degree at on-line U.
I hate this, why are we all playing right into the administrations hands. This is clear union busting.
I can't stand worrying that a veteran officer might endanger a younger officer just to prove a point. This is too much!! Get all that money and please, please, give it to the veterans. Every cent of it.
I can't believe this contract has turned 34's against each other. But then again,the majority of 34's in APD back stab each other constantly. What a shock to me when I first came here and saw that 34's here do not stick together. I came from a dept. where it was 34's against the world. That was the mentality. Over here it is me, me, me! This contract is not the best, most fair or what everyone wanted, but it was voted on ( democracy at work ) and passed. It benefits 80% of this department, the entire city and the recruiting pool. There was a independant study commissioned by Chicago P.D. a few years back that showed a direct correlation between pay and the quality of worker. We can't turn back the clock and fix all the wrongs done to the most senior 34's in terms of lack of pay over the years, but we can focus on the future of this department. Stop the name calling. Paul, you work your ass off and I know you take care of your people. Anyone who says differently dosen't know you very well. For you young guys, it was once very, very hard to get accepted into APD. Much harder than it is now and that's why the older 34's take exception to any and all barbs directed at them. We need to stick together and move on. The motion for next months meeting will in most probability be a futile attempt. The majority of the city council is behind putting more officers on the streets and by upping the pay, their goals will be met. We will begin to atract a hiring pool from in state laterals, out of state laterals and out of state new hires. No more scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to put together a academy class.
The realitiy is the city under Marty has never negotiated in good faith. Were you drinking when you wrote that?
You are all funny. First who in thier right mind votes on or signs anything that they have not read. You wouldnt vote for an anonymous president. As far as us fat cats turning down the raises it not all about the money. There are parts of the contract that are not good for the membership. And you should learn to read...they are not even advertising 10 to 40 percent raises. I wont even grace your stupidity with the real numbers. You should at least get your facts straight before you look like a jackass.
I have a new found respest for Sergeat Heh. I've never met him personally but he is the only one with balls big enough to come from behind "Anonymous" and give his opinion. Sergeant Heh I salute you and the officers that work under you should feel privileged to do so.
REMEMBER, RON OLIVAS WORKED A DEAL SO HE WOULD NOT BE FIRED FOR BEING ON LIGHT DUTY. THAT'S RIGHT! RON OLIVAS WAS TOLD BY CHIEF RAY SCHULTZ THAT HE WOULD BE FIRED BECAUSE RON OLIVAS CAN'T WORK THE FIELD, AS HIS BACK IS ALL JACKED UP. RAY SCHULTZ FIRES ALL LIGHT DUTY OFFICERS THAT CAN'T RETURN TO FULL DUTY IN A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME. RON OLIVAS CAN NEVER RETURN TO FULL DUTY BECAUSE OF HIS OFF DUTY BACK INJURY.
BY PASSING THIS CONTRACT, OLIVAS WAS TOLD HE WOULD KEEP HIS JOB AND BE GIVEN AN INSIDE POSITION, PROBABLY GUARDING THE MAYOR. SO RON OLIVAS(JUDAS TORRES)SOLD APD OUT FOR AN INSIDE JOB AND THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, RON OLIVAS WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF!!!!!!!!
WHY DO YOU THINK OLIVAS PUSHED THIS CONTRACT THROUGH SO FAST! HE DID NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE THE WISER. BELIEVE ME, OLIVAS WILL STAB IN THE BACK TO GET AHEAD, JUST ASK ANYONE HE WORKED WITH IN THE GUARD. THE GUY IS DIRTY.
RAY SCHULTZ DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THIS DEPT. THE MONEY WAS DIVIDED UP THE WAY SCHULTZ TOLD OLIVAS TO DIVIDE IT. BEN BAKER WORKS AND IS LOYAL TO SCHULTZ. WHAT A MAJOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST WORKING IN THE CHIEF'S OFFICE. SCHULTZ IS NOT STUPID AND THAT'S WHY BAKER WORKS UP THERE SO THEY CAN CONTROL HIM. BAKER WILL ALSO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
RON JUDAS OLIVAS TORRES AND BAKER WILL NEVER WORK THE FIELD AGAIN AND WILL HIDE INSIDE UNTIL THE CAN RETIRE. THEY SOLD APD OUT AND ARE A DISGRACE, AS APD OFFICES.
THEY ARE LOYAL TO NO ONE BUT CHIEF RAY SCHULTZ............
VOTE TO REVERSE THAT BOGUS CONTRACT!
VOTE NO CONFIDENCE ON CHIEF RAY SCHULTZ. DON'T LET OLIVAS STOP IT LIKE BEFORE!
This 5th and 11th floor administration are trying to divide up the apd officers. they like nothing more than to create problems for the rank and file.
Chief schultz is dirty, look at what he did with APD's Evidence Unit. He ran it when money and drugs started to be stolen.
He was the DWI SGT in 1992 that was padding his overtime illegally and should have been fired! That's all this chief cares about is money!!!!!!!!!!!!! His money!!!!
The 5th floor gives classes on integrity and ethics and have none.
He did nothing to all the corrupt high ranking chief's that were covering up the evidence room thefts! These guys should have all gone to jail, but Schultz was given the job because Nick Bakas knew he would cover it up! Then Schultz hired them all back!
Even the deputy chief that held a gun to his girlfriend's head in his own office. Yes, an APD Lt took a recorded tape from the victim and the chief still refused to look into the case. Schultz covers up all the corruption of his high ranking officers.
You guys need to run for the President, Vice-prez, Secreatary, treasurer positions and stop talkingshit!! The way the complaining in APD is going on continuosly, lets see how many we have running for the board positions. It should be interesting. Weasels
THANK YOU SGT HEH...
In terms of the rookie cop whose step-dad is sanchez and is "good friends with marty". You had some good points until you said the older officers were whiners. You werent there when we were lied to by marty in reference to our raises. We just want fairness. Did you get to look at the contract before you voted on it? thats all we are asking. I think you were whining more than we were.
We didnt even have a union rep come and explain it to us, we had a dry erase board with no one to answer our questions.
Sgt Heh is pissed and only said what all of us chicken shits are thinking.. thank you!!!!
We dont let the dirtbags treat us like shit, why do we let the chief and marty walk all ovver us? we need to bind together and fight this
Chief Schultz should be in jail for the crimes he has covered up, not to mention what he has done to the APD! The guy steals overtime money while he was a sergeant. This is not the type of person that shouldd be the APD chief.
Now he hands out discipline like it's going out of style. What a hypocrite. Discipline coming from a crook who stole overtime money from the citizens of Albuquerque under Chief Stover. Chief Stover should have FIRED this guy!
That is a very good question? Why didn't this chief go after his former deputy chief's? One for holding the gun to his wife's head and the other for illegally stopping topless dancers and not calling it out on his police radio, as they ran from him calling the police for help against the deputy chief.
Chief Schultz knew all this, but did nothing!
Why is he STILL Chief! We need to ask the mayor that question? The answer is because Chief Schultz can be bought!
I am disgusted with these personal attacks. Ron and Ben fight each and every day to save your ungreatful asses. Ask any one of those guys who have had their jobs saved from the Chief's reigh of terror. Ben is leaving the 5th floor because he was tired of all the political bullshit. And if you think Ron gained anything out of this...you are fullof crap. If you think that Ron is 2 steps short of a wheel chair....I see him in the mornings, running and working out....pretty good for a near-cripple.
Paul Heh was on the right track when he began directing his tirade at the Administration...that is who has been handing down excessive discipline...continuously lying to the public...and who handed us 5-8's to support their own political gain.
Let's all stand together and fight the correct fight. I agree with one of the above posters that it should be 34's against the world. Nobody can understand our problems or needs unless they've done the job. Enough with the petty crap...let's take this fight to the Chief's doorstep...NO CONFIDENCE...embarrass him and the mayor. Jacking with city council and this re-vote bullshit will only make us look like whiny babies. Let's man/woman up and kick down the chief's door...then the mayor.....Start cleaning house. No confidence on the chief...then once the pot is stirred....start dropping all that "rainy day" information that you have on the criminal activities between the two. Next step is to pressure the city to change the charter to require that a Police Commissioner be elected...thus creating autonomy for the department! Until that happens....the mayor will have a puppet who's strings he can pull from six floors up!
This department is designed not to be able to stand up for itself...let's change that!
The only reason he is on this department is because step daddy intervened!! I have forgotten more than these rookie punks will ever experience. I will retire this year based on this contract.
If you do your jobs the way in which is expected of you by the citizens of the City of Albuquerque then you will have a wonderful trouble free career. If you are unhappy with what we pay you I dare you to quit and go do something else.
You won't you'll just whine and moan and bitch! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA....evrything will just stay the same.
Im glad I checked here after all the hype this past week. You guys truly are the problem and are trying to bring down an entire organization. It seems like about ten of you have made the same sniping posts over and over. good job with the personal attack, it truly shows you are a coward to say something like that. I know I dont need to come back here to read lies. Ron..Ben..and 34s especially..hang in there and do not let the sour minority ruin it for the whole city. This seems like the first time something was done right, these people do not know how to act because of it.
Time for you to retire Paul. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.......Take Al with you.
I agree with the above post regarding the personal attacks. Man up and do the job we were hired to do. Ron and the rest of the boeard, including attorneys are there when you get in trouble and need them. Give them the due respect.
To all the senior guys on, i totally understand why you are all upset, and yes i honestly think they should of had a carbon copy of this contract before we voted.Or at the very least given us a couple days to read over the contract to make a better educated vote. there are pro's and con's in this contract, the pro's is that the newer guys coming on will make more money, and its a great recuritment tool. the con's is that the more seasoned officer's are forced to make a choice, either help the department in the numbers game, and loose some pay, but help build the city to what it should be for the number of 34's we put out there. I don't know i just want better pay for the whole lot of us, and to help staff this department with 34s.
HELLO ALL,
MY NAME IS STEVEN ARIAS. THIS IS MY FIRST POST TO THIS BLOG. I AM THE OFFICER WHO PRESENTED THE OPPOSING PERSPECTIVE FROM THE YOUNG OFFICERS WHO VOTED "YES" ON THE CONTRACT. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENTS REGARDING MYSELF THAT I FELT WERE INAPPORPRIATE AND THAT I NEEDED TO ADDRESS.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE INSINUATION THAT BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH SGT. HEH, THAT SOMEHOW I FEEL THAT HE LACKS WORK ETHIC. I FEEL EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE; SGT. HEH IS A VERY HARD WORKER, EVIDENCED BY HIS OMNIPRESENCE AT METRO COURT. I ATTEMPTED TO PRESENT MY ARGUMENT AND THAT OF THE OFFICERS IN FAVOR OF THE CONTRACT IN THE MOST RESPECTFUL MANNER. I WANT ALL OF YOU TO KNOW THAT THE OFFICERS I'M REPRESENTING HERE DO NOT TAKE AN ADVERSARIAL APPROACH TO ANY OF YOU. TO THE CONTRARY, WE LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU, AND WE WANT TO LEARN AND CARRY ON TRADITIONS YOU HAVE UPHELD. HOWEVER, I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE SCAPEGOATING OF YOUNG OFFICERS. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HOW THIS CONTRACT WAS PRESENTED, YOU NEED TO AIM YOUR ANGER AND FRUSTRATION AT THE CORRECT PARTIES. THE YOUNG OFFICERS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PRESENTATION OR LACK OF. I'VE YET TO SEE A VETERAN WHO IS AGAINST THIS CONTRACT ATTEMPT TO CONSTRUCTIVELY ENGAGE YOUNG OFFICERS AND LOBBY THEM. I CAN NOT SPEAK FOR ALL OFFICERS, BUT I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED OR THREATENED BY ANY OF YOU. THUS, SGT. HEH, I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE COURAGE TO VOICE A POPULAR OPINION AND BOLDLY PUT YOUR NAME OUT THERE BEHIND IT. I'VE YET TO SEE ANYONE BACK YOU UP. I WANT YOU TO KNOW YOU HAVE ALL MY RESPECT, AND SO DO ALL THE VETERANS WHO DISAGREE WITH ME.
SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF LEADERSHIP. THE ENTIRE MANNER THAT SOME OF US HAVE ACTED IS IN WHOLE INAPPROPRIATE. BESIDE THE ISSUE OF TELLING OFFICERS WHO DO NOT SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU THAT THEY HAD BETTER NOT BID INTO YOUR SQUAD, THE WAY IN WHICH WE ARGUE AND DISAGREE IS CAUSING A RIFT. WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT WE WILL NEVER AGREE ON ALL THINGS, WE NEED TO INSTEAD FOCUS ON OUR COMMON GOAL OF A SAFE CITY AND GOOD THINGS FOR EACH OTHER. OUR MUTUAL FIGHT AGAINST CRIME AND OUR COMMON INTERESTS DWARF OUR DISAGREEMENTS. THE VETERAN OFFICERS NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EAGER HEARTS AND EARS OF THIER SUCCESSORS. LEADERS BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER DESPITE TOUGH CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THEY INSPIRE BY THEIR ACTIONS.
THIRD, THE ISSUE OF A DIVIDED HOUSE; LET ME BE CLEAR, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT NO ONE, THE CHIEF, NOT THE MAYOR, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES IF WE ARE DIVIDED OR NOT, WE DO. WE EACH HAVE THE POWER TO RISE ABOVE THE OCCASSION AND COLLECTIVELY SAY, "THIS SITUATION IS NOT IDEAL FOR ME PERSONALLY, BUT I WILL STAND UNITED WITH MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND SAY, 'GOOD FOR YOU.'" WE CONTROL OUR DEPARTMENT, IT'S TIME TO REALIZE THAT AND STOP BLAMING EXTERNAL FACTORS FOR OUR DIVISION.
FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP MY WORDS THAT I GAVE AT THE APOA MEETING. PERHAPS I WAS NOT CLEAR, OR PERHAPS IN THE HEAT OF MOMENT, SOME OF YOU MISUNDERTOOD, AND MISQUOTED ME ("GOOD FRIENDS WITH MARTY"). WITH REGARD TO MY COMPARISON TO THE WW2GENERATION AND THE PRESENT, I SAID, "IT IS ALL ABOUT ME." I DID NOT MEAN THIS PERSONALLY. RATHER, I ATTEMPTED TO DEMONSTRATE A LARGER SOICAL TREND. SELFISHNESS IS VERY DISAGREEABLE TO ME AS WELL, BUT IT IS REALITY. YOU CAN NOT EXPECT MOST RATIONAL PEOPLE TO WORK A DANGEROUS JOB FOR LOW PAY WHEN DEPARTMENTS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY PAY MORE. I'D ALSO CHALLENGE THE CHARGE THAT I'M SOMEHOW SELFISH. IF I WERE A SELFISH, GREEDY PERSON, I WOULD'VE GONE ON TO ANOTHER PROFESSION. WE CAN DISAGREE ABOUT OUR SOCIETY'S SOCIAL TREND, OR WE CAN DEAL WITH REALITY AND OFFER COMPETITIVE WAGES THAT WILL GET US MORE OFFICERS TO (HERE'S THE BIG PICTURE) TO MAKE ABQ SAFE. IF YOU DISAGREE, PLEASE LEAD WITH ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS. WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY; IF A PROBATIONARY COP IS ELIGIBLE CARRY A GUN AND BADGE, HE SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE A VOTE. WE WILL NOT MAKE THIS DEPARTMENT BETTER BY DISENFRANCHISING OFFICERS TO ACHIEVE OUR PERSONAL AGENDAS. THUS IN REGARD TO SELFISHNESS I BELIEVE IT HAS COME FROM ONE SOURCE, AND I SUBMIT THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS AS EVIDENCE.
FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF MY FAMILY AND PERSONAL ATTACKS. I NEVER "BRAG" ABOUT MY FAMILY, RATHER, INTRODUCING MY BACKGROUND WAS A TOOL TO HELP MY OPPONENTS KNOW IN ADVANCE MY INFLUENCES, BIASES, AND ASSUMPTIONS SO THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO EVALUATE MY ARGUMENT ON ITS MERIT WITH MY BACKGROUND IN MIND. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WOULD ATTACK KEN SANCHEZ, I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR PAUSE, BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF THE MOST PRO-34 COUNCILORS SITTING PRESENTLY. IN REGARD TO THE ALLEGATION THAT I'M ONLY HERE BECAUSE KEN SANCHEZ INTERVENED, YOU ARE PARTIALLY CORRECT. INDEEED I DID PUT SANCHEZ DOWN AS A REFERENCE; IN ADDITION TO KNOWING ME FOR 25/27 YEARS, HE IS A RESPECTED MEMBER OF THIS CITY. ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY WOULD NOT LIST A STANDUP LEADER OF THEIR COMMUNITY, IS EITHER IGNORANT OR LYING. FURTHERMORE, I STAND BY MY PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS FOR THIS JOB: I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, I GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, I EARNED MY MILITARY COMMISSION, I EARNED MY POLICE COMMISSION, AND I CARRY A BADGE AND GUN ON THE STREET. ALTHOUGH KEN HAS SUPPORTED ME THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, I'VE DONE THESE THINGS BY MY OWN SWEAT. IT WAS THE CHIEF'S DECISION TO HIRE ME, AND I BELIEVE I DID HIM AND RON FROST WELL WITH MY PERFORMANCE IN THE ACADEMY. FINALLY, THE PERSONAL ATTACKS THAT A FEW OF YOU (WHO ARE IN THE MINORITY) DECIDED TO E-PEN ABOUT ME: ATTACKING ME PERSONALLY INSTEAD OF STICKING TO THE ISSUE OF THE CONTRACT SPEAKS TO YOUR CHARACTER, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU SIGNED AS ANONYMOUS. AGAIN I APPLAUD SGT. HEH FOR HIS COURAGE. I OUTRIGHT REJECT YOUR ACTIONS AS THOSE OF A CHILD, WHO WILL GET ON THE INTERNET AND PEN MALICIOUS STATEMENTS AND THE HIDE BEHIND ANONYMOUS. I MAY BE A "KID," BUT I STAND PROUDLY BEHIND MY STATEMENTS AND THE FACT THAT I SIGN OFF ON MY WORDS. NOT ONCE HAVE I PERSONALLY ATTACKED ANY OF YOU **OR** YOUR FAMILY, AND I WILL NOT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF DAY I AM STILL YOUR FAMILY, WHETHER I HAVE "LOST ALL THE RESPECT ON THIS DEPARTMENT" OR NOT. IF ANY SENIOR OFFICERS AGAINST THIS CONTRACT WISH TO STEP UP AND BE THE LEADERS WE LOOK TO YOU TO BE, PLEASE REACH OUT TO YOUNGER OFFICERS, CONSTRUCTIVELY AND OBJECTIVELY PRESENT YOUR ARGUMENTS, I PROMISE WE ARE WILLING TO AT LEAST HEAR YOU OUT AND BE PART OF A SOLUTION, NOT THE PROBLEM. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE THE MATTER FURTHER, YOU CAN REACH ME AT THE WESTSIDE SUB. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MEET IN PRIVATE, YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT SARIAS1681@GMAIL.COM. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ME DESPITE NO PROVOCATION OF MY OWN, I'D ASK THAT YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY IT TO MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN AND SAY IT TO MY FACE...THAT IS THE LEAST A FELLOW RESPECTFUL OFFICER COULD DO FOR THEIR BROTHER.
FINALLY, LET'S KEEP THE BIG PICTURE IN MIND: WE ALL GO HOME SAFE, WE MAKE THE CITY SAFER, AND SET UP FUTURE OFFICERS/SUCCESSORS TO BE THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL THEY CAN BE. WITH LOVE TO MY FELLOWS, BE SAFE.
-STEVEN ARIAS
You know the Mayor could step in and end all this B.S and kick in a little more money for the senior officers. But all you get is silence in City Hall, because they love it when we tear each other apart. The Mayor would love it if the Sgt's and Lt's left the union. The APOA is somewhat unique in the fact that supervisors and officers are in the same union.
To the 34 with the great idea of "NO CONFIDENCE" get it started. Pick a date, talk to every 34 you know and pick a date and time and do it. You all need to stand up for what's right. Rookies included, because like one of the above posters said, you will be there one day too, you will have experience, and just like in the private sector, you should be paid for your years of experience. The City does it, and you all are city employees.
Do it, pick a date, Say Thursday April 3rd 9:45, every 34 get togtether and stand together, united, you deserve WAY more than you are paid as it is, you deserve respect for what you do day in and day out. Go stand up for your rights since nobody will stand up for you!
Great idea, picket so we all look like cry babies. You guys are killing me. The vote P A S S E D. Get freakin over it. We would look like fools in the eyes of our peers. Kudos to Steven for speaking the truth.
Too bad that's your attitude about it. You need to stand up for what is right for ALL officers, not just to get to your 1100.
Steven you are the man! Who cares who your family is,,,you still made it through one of the toughest academies in the nation on your own merits and sweat as you say.
Thanks for clarifying the BS about you thats spewn on this blog constantly. I didnt go to that meeting where you spoke up, but obviously you care enough about this department to get up and do that. your still entitled to your opinions in US of A.
Kudos to Steve for speaking his mind. In my mind, if they guy is given a badge and gun he is a fellow cop. Its crazy how we turn on each other so quickly. Maybe some of the older guys should just sit and talk to explain why they don't like the contract to younger officers. Maybe they will see where you area coming from instead of blaming them. When I came on many years ago, older officers helped me survive everyday. We (me included) need to get back to helping our younger officers become wiser older officers. We don't have to like and agree with each other, but we should respsect each other. How are we going to tell some crock to respect the uniform if we don't ourselves. I will 82 any 34 who needs help when called, just for the reason that we are brothers and sisters. YES, I think this issue has turned into a mess. But there is a reason that I came here, and that is because I wanted to work with the best at the best.
K. Wyckoff (SID), P.S. ...just my 2cents
steven....we recorded the meeting...you said u are good friends with marty. you also said u were sick of hearing the senior officers whining...we aren't whining..we want fairness.why not gkive us time to look it over! were u told about everything in the contract..there was no absentee...some officers didn't even know about the contract...we were told less than 48 hrs prior to vote..how is that fair? by the way some of us have to post anonomyous because we don't have step dad or friend to fall back on....u weren't on the dept when marty had the citywide brfg and lied to us....senior olfficers are sick of getting walked on..
What happened when all the academy staff decided to put in for the field when Suazo got removed for no reason? The brothers and sisters of the academy stood in union with one another and said "NO" you can't just remove someone for no reason. If you stand in unity with one another, maybe for once something can be done. If not, you are right, have your attitude and just get over it and continue getring screwed. You will be an experienced 34 one day, and you will too understand.
Ok. We are forced to pay Union dues weather we like it or not. The Union leaders are elected and most if not all leave the Union with a promotion soon there after or in a better situation than before.That would mean the City has alot of influance over the Union doesnt it? Im not an expert in this by any means but shouldnt we pay someone who doesnt answer to the Mayor and never will to negotiate for us?
He sounds like his politician dad!
Yes, lets get together, listen to our points. We have been walked on for a minimum of 10 years. Marty had a citywide briefing promised all sorts of things.. LAwrence Torres came in and screwed us to no end. NOW we are given a contract, correction, we werent GIVEN the contract, we were told about som eof the things in the contract and told to hurry and vote. Because of my longevity. I will be forced to work overtime to get any sort of raise. I dont work it now, dont want to work it ever. Steven, you had some good points, but i think some of things you said werent valid, and were overheated. You owe us an apology for calling us whiners, and further more i could give a rats ass if you are "good friends with marty". Some of us considered marty a friend until we got sick of being stabbed in the back over and over.
Steven, when you went to college, did you look around or did you just go to any college you wanted to, site unseen? All we want is timme to look and absorb the contract.
Of course the newer officers arent complaining, why should they.. they are getting a SWEET deal!!!
Record this! WHO CARES! It was presented, it was voted on, and it was passed!. Stop Whining!
Move on!
The way I see it, if the P2/C's that didnt know they were allowed to vote last time decide to vote this time, the contract will pass AGAIN by a landslide!
ITS GONNA PASS AGAIN AND THERES NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO STOP IT! HAHAHAHAHA
Wow Steven, you are so "Stand up"... Our hero! Please, you are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't mean anything when you drag everybody else through the dirt. You hardly have enough time to know your 10-code much less give a stand up fight, fight, fight cheer. SENIOR officers to YOU have given their blood and sweat long before you even learned to wipe your behind and they deserve to gripe to get a fair contract. So until you have walked long enough to even break in your 5-11's boots, take a step back because you can learn a few things from the SENIOR officers you slammed at the meeting!
What the academy staff did as a unit is a fantastic example of rallying behind a true leader!
I wish all of our leaders were worth doing that for. It seems to me that now, our leaders are only worried about themselves. No one will back them the way they did Commander Suazo.
Kudos to the fab four who had the courage and integrity to leave the academy with their true leader instead of becoming the all too familiar puppets we see in leadership nowadays. That move paid off big time and brought them even closer as a unit. A true force to be reckoned with.
Imagine a union leadership capable of that kind of power.
RAY---- I HAVE PHOTOS.
YOU'RE WALKING A THIN LINE.
NOT TO MENTION FELLOW OFFICERS WIVES. WHOA.....
WHAT THEY (34s)DIDN'T KNOW FOR ALL THOSE YEARS UNTIL NOW.
THE TRAIN IS PULLING INTO THE STATION SOON AND THOSE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST.
tic, tic, tic, tic.......
I thought he sounded like a defense attorney...
the p2c..what about all the 34s that didn't get tovote?...if u r so sure of the contract then let us read it. did u know that in the contract the chief can give us 45 days and take away our cars...did u know the rakise to 28 isn't guaranteed?
All you have to do to stop the motion made by Sgt Heh is stand up and make a motion to void his motion. Then it will be tabled for 30 days. Who of you is brave enough to stand up and stop Heh's motion? (which is invalid anyway)
Steven instead of putting so much effort in attempts to convince the senior 34's to accept an unfair contract, you should spend more of that effort to get a contract that is fair for everyone. Is not about who makes the best argument but making it equal for everyone. You are supposed to represent all members of the APOA not just a segment, if you can’t figure that out, you are more of an idiot than I thought.
The Mayor in essence responded to the media that it was necessary to take away the longevity from the senior Officers in order to afford the 47 percent for the rooks. I guess Ron Judas Olivas made sure the City got their way at the expense of the senior officers and has secured his inside job while the officers who have 11 to 17 years left will have 3 long years of this contract to remind them how Ron screwed them over.
We senior officers are not whining but demanding equal pay and a fair process, it is the union responsibility to ensure this, we don’t expect the city to do it for us.
Ron O will leave a legacy of selling out the senior officers, the captains who were not asked if they wanted to leave the union, all the Lt's and Sgt's and we all know what he did to all the rehires.
Ron O has better not sign the contract until the issue that was brought up at the last meeting is resolved. If he did sign it after the last meeting, then we need to file a law suit against our own union who is supposed to represent everyone equally and fairly.
WHy is it so hard for us to come together/// oh yeah.. THE FIFTH FLOOR!.....we have a male P.I.O. who sits around earnign 80k plus ... we have a female P.I.O. that gets whatever she wants (stays a motor officer, while on teh 5th floor collecting all teh OT).... we have a chief who screws whomever he wants. we have sgts getting promoted that have no business in the field, so they get to go right inside..we have P2/cs that are being shoved inside, just for the numbers. we have a chief that will allow anyone to new officer stay employed, yet he stabs teh loyal 34 int eh back over and over again...
we have officers with 2 yrs on that think they have a sense of entitlement, just because of who their family is...
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH@
To the senior officer berating the newer officers as McDonald rejects; you should consider how ignorant your comments and (ultimately your logic) appear to be when you cannot even utilize the correct words to express your thoughts. The proper word in reference to the election is "polls" not "poles;"unless you voted at the North or South Pole. "Look it up!" Most of you senior officers sound like a bunch of spoiled children. Your longevity is rewarded. You get to bid for the best shifts and you have a recession proof job. There is not any other career that gives individuals a raise for continuosly occupying space without producing significantly greater value to justify increased compensation. Talk about a SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT! If you disagree go look for work in the private sector and see what you are offered and how the system of bonuses or raises are performance based. Finally, I commend Steven Arias for his articulate and rational perspective YOU DESERVE A RAISE. The rest of you disatisfied senior officers show some maturity and leadership (especially those with titles like sergeant). Don't you get paid extra to do that. Consider the alternative there is always McDonalds or a transfer to Rio Rancho P.D. To all officers putting your lives in danger every day--THANK YOU! YOU DESERVE TO BE COMPENSATED AT THE SAME LEVEL AND HAVE A LIVEABLE WAGE FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE AND FOR CHOOSING SUCH AN HONORABLE PROFESSION.
How long have you been an officer, a year? YOU go work in the private sector and then you can talk about if you are fairly compensated for your longevity. The more time on with a company, the more you make. Why should APD be any different? You put your time in and you are rewarded with pay and a better shift. That's the name of the game. Of course you are happy about the pay, you just jumped your salary by 10k and the officers with 11-17 just lost their longevity, what do you care?
This place is going to shit under Schultz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The worse chief and staff in APD History. How about being remembered like that Chief!
You're a swell guy Chief, just a cops cop! hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah
Yes go ahead leave the department and go work in the private sector. I DARE YOU! one day you will get bored or fired in the private sector and just come back to APD.
I know of at least two current employees that left APD to go to Intel for example. They are both back! One was laid off recently one just saw how good it was here and came back. Not to mention all the laterals and rehires that left and came back.
The grass is greenest right here at APD. This is the place that everyone sees as the best and wants to come here. Most who leave APD see how life is not better anywhere else.
All you whiners who think they have it so bad here, need to just ask the ones who left and came back what the REAL WORLD is like. Most of you should be charged with timesheet fraud after turning in timesheets with hours you DIDNT EVEN WORK.
How many of you drive around in your city owned take home cars and run your personal errands on duty? (especially inside officers).
Stop whining and do the job your actually paid for, because I know shopping, visiting friends and family on duty is not what the citizens pay us for.
signed,
senior officer who voted YES for the contract!
Steven had some good points. I agreed wtih a lot of them. HOWEVER, i think he was completely out of line to stand up and state the accusations against unnamed sgt(s). First off, were you there, did you hear exactly what the sgt said? You made an accusation that has now landed several innocent and uninvolved superiors in I.A. Second, If you were not there, then what you said was heresay, rumor. Was it your sgt?
Second, since it is now on record that junior officers were intimidated by the vote, then the vote should be null and void. i guarantee you that no court will allow a vote that has been accused of using intimidation tactics. You had no business making that recorded information, without being completely sure. You have now sent officers to I.A. What happened to going directly to the source, instead of ratting them out to I.A..... way to go! way to stand for your fellow brothers.
Why is everyone so rushed for the contract? If you are so sure of it, why wouldnt you want everyone to know about it?
Go ahead, continue with the contract. Once the media grabs hold of the fact that officer arias has accused sgts of intimidation, they will throw it out....
everyone talks about "its been voted, get on with it"..... it wasnt voted in a democratic way. You want the officers to stand together, yet you dont think twice about stabbing them in the back.
Sounds like a defense attorney with political aspirations....guarantee this guy won't be police for long, he's got his sights set up for things way above his pay grade!!!!'
I'm just sayin.......
"Stop whining and do the job your actually paid for, because I know shopping, visiting friends and family on duty is not what the citizens pay us for.
signed,
senior officer who voted YES for the contract!"
What a wipe ass, but don't be fooled, this is a fat cat rook trying to impress his boyfriend.
Can't we just get along.
Congratulations to those officers that are brave enough to come out from behind the shadows instead of scattering like cockroaches in the night when lights are turned on. Its a beginning of sorts to show that 34's are tired of being bullied. How about working together for common goals. Two man issues APD is facing right now are lack of leadership from the Chief and the contract. How about actually supporting each other in making these two goals happen. A vote of no confidence cannot happen unless there is a majority support that way no one person or small group becomes a target. If there are 200+ officers voting no confidence they will not make everyone targets. Younger officers can help the more senior officers in this. In the reverse Senior officers would then give their support in the younger officers with the contract. If your all working together towards goals you can succeed. Time to start looking at places like New York and the Teamsters and how they get results. They are successful because they support and work together.
Well, this after all is union-busting New Mexico!! Weak, weak, union representation because it is a "right to work" state.....the private sector here can chew up and spit out their employees without cause. and it looks like the city is trying to do the same by further weakening the union. Hey APD, 11th & 5th are messing with your union, same as 11th is messing with the blue collar, white collar, and clerical unions. BUT we're all too busy when it comes time to go to the meetings, or we don't get time off from management in order to attend. What the hell is all that about?
If your an APD officer who likes the contract, make sure you are at the next APOA meeting to hold Paul Heh and his cronies at bay. They will try and get the votes to reconsider and renegotiate the contract. You will end you with nothing, rest assured, you need to vote his motion down and say NO at the next meeting
ok thanks i'll be there to keep heh at bay.
Right, say "NO" to the motion and fall in line with the executives. So far all you've gotten is 5-8's and you really want to fold just like that?
5/8's or 4/10's have been in the contract for years. It's a decision that has always been in the hands of the chief. If you've been on this departement for any significant amount of time and haven't read that in the contract then doom on you for not being informed earlier. Waiting to the last minute to bitch about issues is pitiful. Why haven't the sergeants ant LT's gone in force to the chief to address concerns for the majority. The APOA is in place to negotiate contracts and ensure that fair labor practices are followed. Issues that are in the hands of the 5th floor need to be addressed by current leadershipe in the department. Supervisors...instead of bitching about the APOA show some leadership and go directly to the 5th floor about concerns that are not in the contract such as morale and quality of life issues. Quit complaining that you did not get the same percentage raise as junior personnel and earn the higher pay rate you now recieve. If you don't want to then give up your stripes and bars and join the followers. If you don't want to lead then let someone else get promoted who is willing to.
YOUR POLICE CARS WILL BE THE NEXT THINGS TAKEN!
The Chief is going after the take home cars next. Get ready people, because it's coming. Read it in the contract. I heard from some top level people that the chief really does not like the take home car program and had that clause put in the contract so he could take your cars.
Don't let the Union snow you, they know what their daddy Chief Schultz is up too!
Remember when we use to wait months to get the contract signed? Well, I heard the APOA in collaboration with the City rushed to sign the contract after last Thursday meeting to avoid the potential of reversing the vote. Can someone verify this?
What is the APOA afraid of? That better informed and more participants will vote down this one sided contract?
Also how can we demand fairness from the 5th and 11th floor, when our own union practices dirty voting tactics and one sided representation?
A 24 hour rush job to vote for a contract when you have officers fragmented all over the city is inadequate and not allowing officers to make an informed decision by providing the proposed changes was an injustice.
I was expecting for some of these rookie officers to band together with fellow senior officers and demand that all members get a fair process and all get equal pay, but instead we got "arrogance" by some greedy self serving officers. But we must understand this is the way of the new breed when today most officers join purely for the $$$ and not for the passion of the job.
Shame!
Senior officers, you have given your life to this City and have done it for a lot less, and it looks like you will continue to do so under this contract.
Let them have their huge pay raise, hope it brings them happiness!
So here comes the true test of leadership. Ron you'll have the largest gathering of 34's at the next meeting. This is an unprecedented opportunity to help provide unity for this department. Failure will no doubt result in complete disunion.
Let's see if you're up for the task....
As a fellow law enforcement officer (ABQ Animal control) I would have to say that it looks like what you have here is a goatrope. And for those involved - you are what we call in the animal control arena - goatropers. Keep the faith.
Thank you all the senior officers of APD!! You do an outstanding job day in day out, you show the youngsters how things are done, and you get things done. And now your union is doing you like this ...un(friggin)believable!! What a waste to just throw you all under the bus like that!!
I KNOW we need to recruit, I KNOW Abq. needs more officers BUT DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER!!
Wasn't there any other way this could have been done other than dividing the officers against each other? Senior vs. Junior?
What a mess........
I had a conversation with a piglet today.
Piglet: "I don't know why the senior 34s are upset, they got the same pay raise I got."
Me: "No, you got a 47 percent pay raise I got less than a 12 percent pay raise."
Piglet: "I guess you're right."
Me: Not only that, they took away my longevity to fund your 47 percent."
Piglet: "I guess that is fucked up, but it's not our fault."
Me: "We are not blaming you, it's just pisses me off when rookie 34s tell me not to bitch when we took it up the ass for the last 3 contracts. But you are right, it's our union who hosed us."
He then shrugged his shoulder and went on his way.
HAHAHAHA, well put above poster!!!! Maybe they (the rookies) will understand it in those terms. OH MY! HAHAHA!
Re;Post:For the knucklehead who wants to slap Steven or his parents.
Oooow, you got a big mouth. Why don't you list your address or name and while I'm slapping the other idiot, I can stop by and slap you to.
May-Day; May-Day: You missed the point dummie!!! this punk rookie doesn't have the right to speak little along kiss the boot of a senior officer who has served his time and deserves respect. You hear that? RESPECT!
You are obviously siting next to a 2 yr old, otherwise you wouldnot be saying such silly thing...
You all got promoted for the money only, now youre pissed because you could have stayed a nobody and made 28 bucks an hour so youre pissed. you are holding the department down, and you are still a nobody, unwilling to put your neck out for anything or anyone but you. The silent majority will rule.
Second conversation of the day:
Lazy guy: I've been with this company for 17 years and I believe I should get paid more than anyone hired after me.
General Public: Is your job requirement different then those hired after you?
Lazy guy: Sure it is...I get the choice of shifts so I pick the ones that have the lesser work load. When I get an assignment I milk it so no other responsibility is placed on me and other junior personnel get assigned it.
General Public: Is the job assignment the same for you as the new guys?
Lazy Guy: Sort of, but I'm senior and know how to work the system so the new guy gets a heavy workload. He should because I'm senior to him and that's how it was when I was hire.
General Public: Aren't there promotion possibilities for you?
Lazy Guy: Yeah, but if I get promoted then I become the junior guy for that level and I'll get crappy days off and have to supervise junior guys...it's to much responsibility and change in my schedule.
General Public: Won't you get a pay raise if you're promoted to the next level?
Lazy Guy: It pays more but I'm content with my current senior position, getting the choice of shifts and minimal responsibility plus getting paid more than the newer guys who are doing the majority of the work. Heck, it was that way when I got hired 17 years ago so it should be that way now.
General Public: You find logic to this argument?
Lazy guy: Of course I do..If I had to go through it than everyone else has to.
General Public: Where to you work?
Lazy Guy: I'm a veteran officer with the Albuquerque Police Department.
As a fellow law enforcement officer (ABQ Animal control)............You're not a LEO. Get the hell off this blog.
Thank you all the senior officers of APD!! You do an outstanding job day in day out, you show the youngsters how things are done, and you get things done. And now your union is doing you like this ...un(friggin)believable!! What a waste to just throw you all under the bus like that!!
Yea show those junior officers how to get away with staying logged on & milking calls long enough for the younger ones to take all the calls holding. Show the rooks how to be disgruntled about anything and everything. Show those youngsters how to get out of writing DV reports and changing them to simple calls. Show the rooks all the little ways to cheat the city while your at it.
Waaaaay to go you senior guys. Looks like we all get thrown under the bus!
Looks like the union took care of the ones doing all the work anyways. Its good to be a rook!
*****Looks like the union took care of the ones doing all the work anyways. Its good to be a rook!******
Wowwwwwww, that sums up the arrogance of the "rooks". Also, yes the veterans do get to bid for better days off because they have all done the work long before you even dreamed of doing the job just to look cool. Remember what you all said in Chiefs, "I want to be a police officer to help people". Start by remembering that there is a lot that can be learned from the "old guys" around you. They are old because thet have survived to nasty that plagues the streets you vowed to protect. "Helping people" doesn't involve thinking that you are above anybody. Stop the nonsense and remember that we are all brothers and sisters because the arrogance is disgusting.
I have NEVER seen such arrogance from some of the newer officers. Marty should just take their pay away, I am embarassed for some of you guys. The lure of the $$$$ only recruits disloyal, disresctful officers.
If the commments on this blog are from real APD officers, senior and rookie, I am ashamed of all of you.
The rookies should not be upset with the senior guys working within the system to correct what they think is an error.
The senior guys should not berate the rookies for accepting a contract that they thought was good.
Each of you are APD officers, therefore respect each others different opinions and let this play out. The APOA goofed up by the way this vote was presented. That needs to change and this will make it happen.
You guys slamming on each other should not be officers. Both rookie and veteran, above all else you back each other up and respect each others views.
What in the hell is wrong with you people!
To ABQ Animal Control...I am a Law Enforcement Officer...I don't know how you made the determination that you are, other then by wearing a uniform and a badge. How about you guys show up within 15 minutes when LEO's call for you instead of 2 hours later
You're better off claiming that you're uniformed security at best....go find those hardened criminals violating the HEART ordinance and summons them into court so you can get overtime. Call me when the insane owner comes out with a gun in his hand yelling profanities at you.
Have a nice day.
conversation of the day:
I.A: Yes, we need you to come to the office and give a statement.
Lt/Sgt; what are we targets of
I.A. Well, a real educated rookie, who happens to have family ties to the city said you intimidated the younger, vulnerable officers to vote against the contract
Lt/Sgt: HEs not even in my squad, he never approached me, ,,,, has this kid ever heard of chain of command
IA: NO, he just goes straight to the top, no need to follow chain of command... His stepdad is ken sanchez and he is good friends with marty
LT/SGT--- SANCHEZ>.. MARTY.. oh shit, now im scared! well be right over. Boy, I am sooo glad this rookie set us straight.
fair to everyone? ok pay all patrolmen the same exact pay for the same exact job,,,no more confusion or complaints right?
oh wait senior guys have been here longer and deserve more pay cause they do soooo much more hahaha what great logic we have!
NOT!
Poor rooks.. quit picking on them, they might tell their daddy hahahaha
Ron and Ben, I hope that your happy with all this. The city is not to blame here. Ron and Ben should have told the city to take a flying leap when they were presented with this rag of a contract.
Be careful what you wish for,,,the contract passed and it will pass again overwhelmingly just for fun!
Lets see how many of these brave senior officers and supervisors actually stand up at either the APOA meeting or the city coun city meeting.
I bet there will be crickets in the crowd. And then the senior guys will cry foul again and blame the rooks for not speakin up for them.
I just want to say that as the aforementioned animal control officer in the earlier post, I am saddened that my fellow brothers in blue see me as a security guard?
I would like to point out to the skeptics that I fight what you fear...I do it unarmed...and I do it with no back-up.
It is interesting that you guys call for me a lot more than I call for you! For those of you who complain about my response time...Do you realize that there are days that your response times are just as long - like to car accidents, burglaries and grand theft autos?
I would also like to point out that about 90 percent of the time I deal with more dangerous elements than you do..and once again I do it unarmed and with no back-up.
For those of you who support AC I would like to say "Keep it blue," and keep fighting the good fight!
For those of you who have had your daily dose of "Hater-ade" I would like to say...If you don't like the Animal Control, next time you need us...call a crackhead.
AC 34, don't listen to these blowhards. I've been on over a dozen years and I appreciate your and your division's efforts.
As far as waiting for the contract to pass and all the threats intimated therein. So what. All that is being asked is that the vote be done fairly and with transparency. No big deal. If it passes so be it. If it doesn't then we start over TOGETHER.
Amen to that. You guys also do a thankless job. Keep your heads up
What now the Animal Control pukes are claiming to be one of us? Hell no, go to the academy, if you can...Oops, you can't that's why you're an aminal control guard. Next you'll be wanting part of our raises. Get off this blog, you're not LEO......I'll call you next time I need you to scrape up some road kill.
I love animal control officers! they along with the fire dept recovered my young kitten from a tree in my back yard after being up there for 6 hours.
thank you ACO and AFD for your dedication and professionalism.
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