Democrats like Nancy Pelosi's arm candy - Martin Heinrich - don't seem to believe that they will pay a price for screwing up We the People's healthcare. The turnout of 200 strong for a rally organized via email on Friaday shows how very wrong they are.
Folks, elections have consequences and Obamacare is just one of the consequences of the 2008 election. There will be more.
We are seeing an unprecedented assault on freedom and liberty. Not since patriots threw the original tea party in Boston Harbor, has this level of arrogance and tyranny been so patently obvious.
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Tyranny??? What tyranny? Now the Patriot Act was tyranny as it trampled all over individual rights. Healthcare reform is still not law nor is it even tyranny. Funny all the big industrial economies of the world offer their citizens coverage but one (USA). And they all have basic freedoms like America and they have quality care with less total costs. Healthcare in America is not sustainable on its current path. It's costs continue to spiral upward as they have for years. Employers are starting to wise up and put more of the burden on the employee in forms of greater cost share, co-pays, etc. By the way, I do not support the current healthcare bill but action is needed on the healthcare front.
Good for you Tea Party. Remember they vote "Yes", we vote "NO" in November. God Bless America!!! Thank you "EYE"
This will bite us so hard in the ass.
Business owners will have to lay more people off, others will be forced to close business altogether, hence Obama's plan. Bring this nation and our economy down.
Does anyone out there not get the concept? Our economy will fail and we will migrate into Obama's new world order. SOCIALISM
We are seeing an unprecedented assault on freedom and liberty.
That's right.
We must protect the right of individuals to die in the gutter from lack of medical care. We must protect the liberty of insurance companies to deny coverage for no reason except the need to increase profits. We must get the government out of the health care business: end Medicare, end Veterans health care, repeal the Pure Food and Drug Act so enterprising entrepreneurs can sell cures and remedies even if those medicines are poisonous and ineffective.
What a joke this article is. Please!
What few people debating this bill ever brought up was the fundamental concept upon which it is built. And that is that we need "reform" because health care is a right. That is false. Health care is not a right. It is a cost of living, just like groceries, utilities, and housing.
Furthermore, those who argue that our current health care "system" is unsustainable because the insurance companies are bloated are correct. In their assumption, but not in the consequence of that assumption. Because this bill still equates health care with health insurance and does nothing to break that stranglehold. Whoever said we had to have insurance to stay healthy and to get quality care? Health insurance should be limited to a catastrophic coverage - not something that is used every time someone gets the sniffles and decides to run to the emergency room.
But these points are moot. Those who support this bill inside congress do so for their own power gain aims. Those who support it outside of congress do so because they lack the will and the intellectual ammunition to realize what the true saving grace of health care is. And that is, the free market.
And the democrats call the republicans alarmists? Who just commented that people are dying in gutters from lack of health care insurance? Please. My brother and sister in law wasted their lives with drugs and alcohol and as a result they have full coverage, including dental, under disability/medicaid and so do their children. Between Medicaid, state run hospitals, and charitable outfits, no one in this country is denied access to health care.
This health care bill is not for the poor and under served; it is nothing more than a subsidy for the rapidly growing segment of our middle classes who believe they have a right not to a life, but to a lifestyle.
I remember vividly when King George was attempting to ram affordable health care down the throats of the Colonists of New Jersey. That was tyranny indeed... If they had had Communism or Nazis back then, then surely this affront to liberty would have been a product of both camps!
It is fantastic that the healthcare bill has passed and the lemmings that call themselves republicans in congress (not one of them could vote different than the other) can all march themselves into the sea.
sometimes eye you seem like you have some brains. but not this time. how dare any of you say that certain people don't deserve healthcare. that the country can afford to give healthcare to some of the people. the US is not that weak. just the lemmings and their droid followers.
Between Medicaid, state run hospitals, and charitable outfits, no one in this country is denied access to health care.
False. For example:
"Arizona last week became the first state to eliminate its Children's Health Insurance Program, removing an estimated 38,000 kids from the rolls starting in June in a budget-cutting move by Gov. Jan Brewer and the Republican-led Legislature."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gA_QtqpsN5dFqGDZ9C8wnZDoDcggD9EK0G2G0
Medicaid doesn't cover unmarried men, either, unless they have custody of children.
You're also aware, I'm sure, of the Harvard study which concluded that 45,000 americans die each year because their lack of health insurance keeps them from getting prompt and appropriate care
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58G6W520090917
true saving grace of health care is. And that is, the free market.
That'd be the same market that brought us rescission of health insurance policies and no coverage for people with pre-existing conditions? The same free market that brought us the Great Depression, monopolies, tainted foods, poisonous medical drugs, and the recent financial crises? Sorry, the free market is a proven failure in some situation. Health insurance and medical care are two such situations.
Michael, actually the free market did not cause any of those things you just mentioned. We've never had a free market – our markets have always been manipulated. And just because something isn't regulated doesn't mean it's part of a free market.
But back to health care. Let's do some simple math. I pay $200 a month for my medical insurance. But I only go to the doctor twice a year. So why should I pay $2,400 a year for health care? Oh, right. I'm paying for the POSSIBILITY of getting sick. And I'm paying way more than is necessary.
Because we've come to view insurance as the only way to have access to care. Wouldn't it be simpler and more cost effective for people to pay doctors directly for the few times a year they have to see a physician, and only pay a small premium a month for catastrophic care? Of course. But the insurance lobby is not about to let that happen.
There are many, many ways to lower health care costs so that almost everyone can afford care. This bill is not one of those ways because it still operates off the mistaken assumption that providing every American with a health insurance policy is the bet way to provide them with health care. Again, that assumption is not only false, it's what's led to this problem.
Regardless, it all comes down to the question: is health care a right? According to our rule of law, no, it isn't. Because a right is neither something that is earned nor is it something that is granted at the expense of the rights of others. But in order to insure everyone in the universe, someone must be forced to cough up the money to subsidize. Someone's rights must be infringed upon. How is that use of force – the means – justify the ends? If, as those who support this bill believe, the purpose of government is to predict for and alleviate every possible tragedy and pain that occurs in the world, who has to be sacrificed in order to do that?
Regardless, it all comes down to the question: is health care a right?
Nonsense. That's not the question at all. That's just a way to confuse the issue, to distract and obfuscate.
The current system is broken. It costs way, way too much and it produces bad results. We must change the system.
The question is: given where we are, and the sunk costs and political power blocks, what's the best we can do to the quality of health care, maximize the number of people getting health care, while keeping costs down?
We know that the market can't and won't do it. There are both theoretical and practical reasons to believe the market will fail, and we certainly have clear evidence that the market has failed. You apparently believe in the perfection of some sort of Platonic ideal market that's never actually existed on earth ("We've never had a free market") but that's a matter of your faith. I believe in evidence, and the historical evidence is that regulation can improve the results delivered by markets - and this clearly includes both insurance markets and health care markets.
I pay $200 a month for my medical insurance.
How fortunate for you that you're young and healthy. It's not nice to gloat when talking to those of us who are not. That's very little compared to what most people in my age bracket pay. And, of course, under our old system all you'd need is one bad diagnosis and you'd find you could no longer buy insurance at any price. And without insurance, if I (or you) have a heart attack we're sunk. Very few people can afford to pay the $75,000 or so that a heart attack will cost. That's why we pay the $2,400 a year - so we won't have to pay the whole $75,000 at once.
So the best and fairest system that could get through the legislature is universal insurance. It's fairest because everyone pays, and everyone gets coverage - no freeloaders and (we hope) no one dying in the gutter. Yeah, there were 100 better alternatives, none of which could be enacted. That's why we ended up with this half-backed Republican plan, a plan that's essentially the Romney plan from MA. It's not as good as single payer, but it's far better than anything else we could get.
Seems to me you said pretty much the same thing during the 2008 campaign.... and of course Obama and a lot of other Dems were then elected by solid margins. So... this comeuppance you keep talking about...is this like the predictions of California falling into the ocean? You know, I've been paying close attention since Obama signed the bill, and not one piece of sky has fallen on me yet.
You keep predicting disasters, and they keep not happening. Any chance you'll start telling me which stocks to sell, so I can get rich by buying them?
sad very sad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/03/24/dollar-bill-throw.html?sid=101
For goodness sakes, Michael, I'm not gloating. I'm nearly 50 years old, purchased my first insurance policy when I was 32, and deliberately chose one with a high deductible that is as close as possible to a catastrophic health insurance policy that WILL cover things like heart attacks, etc. It just doesn't cover every time I run to the emergency room with the sniffles.
I also take care of myself, because I believe I have a responsibility to myself, my family, and my community to do so. You and I both know, because it's been drilled into us since elementary school for decades, that while we can't fight genetics, we CAN fight a whole lot else. Good diet, plenty of exercise, laying off cigarettes and booze go a long way towards keeping people healthy. Just as the conservatives are accused of being alarmist, so too are the liberals, when they assume that everyone is a walking medical disaster, powerless to stay healthy without government intervention, and ignore the simple fact that each of us plays a much greater role in keeping ourselves healthy than any primary care physician, emergency room, or whatever Medicine du Jour is shoved down our throats.
You think I'm being Platonic? How about those of you who believe in the "ideal" of a government run, regulated market - the Über Nanny State as the ultimate goal for our country? How is that any more pie in the sky? Only my ideal is based in reality and individual liberty; your ideal only ends in the subjugation of those liberties.
Why not try a free market as it has NEVER been done before? We've had government run, regulated health care - Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA. Can you honestly tell me they are models for how we should provide care?
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